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Very similar feeling to watching the liberal/progressive party fangirl the FBI and the intel community edit: in reality the times have changed and so has the c

Very similar feeling to watching the liberal/progressive party fangirl the FBI and the intel community edit: in reality the times have changed and so has the country and the parties. All of these pre-2008 stereotypes are stupid and not useful anymore.

kelipso 11mo ago
Seriously. Where were all these people when the Democrats overreached into every aspect of our lives? Apparently the only criticism is an accusation of hypocrisy for calling themselves the party of small government. Nothing wrong with the actions themselves apparently! Lol.
- hobs 11mo ago
  Plenty of people complained and wanted all government overreach to stop - this is an even more dire situation, propped up by people who directly lied and said they were not interested in this (which they obviously are, and they are liars.) Why are you complaining about people's concerns instead of the actual problems created by those in power?
  - kelipso 11mo ago
    Because it feels like theater for party politics instead of genuine concern. I expect these people to go quiet when Democrats come into power and start doing the same things.
    - hobs 11mo ago
      The same things? You mean effectively making money laundering legal, crashing the government and starving the poor, ending health care benefits, stealing directly from the coffers, pardoning sex pests and criminals as they continue to commit crimes, ramp up terrorist action against american cities, drop bombs on boats with no justification, roll back our environmental protections to invest in dead end energy projects, double down on crony capitalism, make it so corporations either bend the knee by directly giving money to the president or have their business ended with tariffs, and generally do everything they can to rob us blind and you say "oh it's all the same!" The president is sending the troop into cities on made up offenses, he's posting to social media shitting on american citizens, he's doing death threats on sitting politicians, this is not the same you absolute twat. It's a silly claim made by unserious folks.
      - kelipso 11mo ago
        Lol. Go on and cope. If you can’t seriously criticize your own party, you are basically useless, and I don’t see any criticism from you.
        hobs 11mo ago
        I have plenty of criticisms for the democrats (who I do not consider my party) but both sides bs is just uncritically accepting the republican framing of the problems they are causing, I don't need to spend my time complaining about the party in power effectively nowhere.
        FireBeyond 11mo ago
        "I predict you will do the same thing in some hypothetical future, so I won't talk about the actual things happening in the very real present."
ActorNightly 11mo ago
The problem is that the "both sides are bad" people just uniformly vote Republican. Its the cope of understanding that your side is batshit insane, so you have to pretend that the current state of affairs doesn't actually matter, and the problem goes deeper in the goal of normalizing your party. The truth is, the only reason not to trust the intel community is because of some fringe bullshit you heard on Joe Rogan.
- jajuuka 11mo ago
  This is your cope to justify your side's righteousness. Many people recognize how awful both parties are and do not vote republican. Every socialist/leftist/communist falls into this category. Wait, are you saying mass surveillance is a good thing?
- ahmeneeroe-v2 11mo ago
  Bad reading comprehension. This isn't a "both sides are bad" thing. Both sides are different than they were from 1980 - 2008.
- bluGill 11mo ago
  I've been voting third party for a long time. When both sides are bad (in different ways) it is the only choice left. (The third party isn't all that great either, but they are better and hopefully they send a message that people care)
  - catgirlinspace 11mo ago
    Isn’t that basically just throwing away your vote though with it being a winner-takes-all system?
    - bluGill 11mo ago
      No because the statistics are counted. People in the "smoke filled backrooms" pay attention to what third party messages are getting attention and in turn use that to inform how they change. Long term it isn't a bad strategy, but it does mean you have to accept whoever wins (though in rare cases a third party has won) for today. If one candidate isn't too bad I will vote for them. In my case I've decided on criteria is has not held this office for more than one term (that is I give you two terms no matter what office you are running for) because no matter how much I agree with you I don't want anyone to spend too long in government.
sleepybrett 11mo ago
Yeah the emerging 'The Bullwark' wing of the democrat party. Never trumper republicans trying as hard as they can to move the right flank of the democrat party into the bush era republican gradient so that they can pretend that they didn't lose their own party.

kelipso 11mo ago

Seriously. Where were all these people when the Democrats overreached into every aspect of our lives? Apparently the only criticism is an accusation of hypocrisy for calling themselves the party of small government. Nothing wrong with the actions themselves apparently! Lol.

hobs 11mo ago
Plenty of people complained and wanted all government overreach to stop - this is an even more dire situation, propped up by people who directly lied and said they were not interested in this (which they obviously are, and they are liars.) Why are you complaining about people's concerns instead of the actual problems created by those in power?
- kelipso 11mo ago
  Because it feels like theater for party politics instead of genuine concern. I expect these people to go quiet when Democrats come into power and start doing the same things.
  - hobs 11mo ago
    The same things? You mean effectively making money laundering legal, crashing the government and starving the poor, ending health care benefits, stealing directly from the coffers, pardoning sex pests and criminals as they continue to commit crimes, ramp up terrorist action against american cities, drop bombs on boats with no justification, roll back our environmental protections to invest in dead end energy projects, double down on crony capitalism, make it so corporations either bend the knee by directly giving money to the president or have their business ended with tariffs, and generally do everything they can to rob us blind and you say "oh it's all the same!" The president is sending the troop into cities on made up offenses, he's posting to social media shitting on american citizens, he's doing death threats on sitting politicians, this is not the same you absolute twat. It's a silly claim made by unserious folks.
    - kelipso 11mo ago
      Lol. Go on and cope. If you can’t seriously criticize your own party, you are basically useless, and I don’t see any criticism from you.
      - hobs 11mo ago
        I have plenty of criticisms for the democrats (who I do not consider my party) but both sides bs is just uncritically accepting the republican framing of the problems they are causing, I don't need to spend my time complaining about the party in power effectively nowhere.
      - FireBeyond 11mo ago
        "I predict you will do the same thing in some hypothetical future, so I won't talk about the actual things happening in the very real present."

ActorNightly 11mo ago

The problem is that the "both sides are bad" people just uniformly vote Republican. Its the cope of understanding that your side is batshit insane, so you have to pretend that the current state of affairs doesn't actually matter, and the problem goes deeper in the goal of normalizing your party. The truth is, the only reason not to trust the intel community is because of some fringe bullshit you heard on Joe Rogan.

jajuuka 11mo ago
This is your cope to justify your side's righteousness. Many people recognize how awful both parties are and do not vote republican. Every socialist/leftist/communist falls into this category. Wait, are you saying mass surveillance is a good thing?
ahmeneeroe-v2 11mo ago
Bad reading comprehension. This isn't a "both sides are bad" thing. Both sides are different than they were from 1980 - 2008.
bluGill 11mo ago
I've been voting third party for a long time. When both sides are bad (in different ways) it is the only choice left. (The third party isn't all that great either, but they are better and hopefully they send a message that people care)
- catgirlinspace 11mo ago
  Isn’t that basically just throwing away your vote though with it being a winner-takes-all system?
  - bluGill 11mo ago
    No because the statistics are counted. People in the "smoke filled backrooms" pay attention to what third party messages are getting attention and in turn use that to inform how they change. Long term it isn't a bad strategy, but it does mean you have to accept whoever wins (though in rare cases a third party has won) for today. If one candidate isn't too bad I will vote for them. In my case I've decided on criteria is has not held this office for more than one term (that is I give you two terms no matter what office you are running for) because no matter how much I agree with you I don't want anyone to spend too long in government.

sleepybrett 11mo ago

Yeah the emerging 'The Bullwark' wing of the democrat party. Never trumper republicans trying as hard as they can to move the right flank of the democrat party into the bush era republican gradient so that they can pretend that they didn't lose their own party.