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I've heard that for humans too, indecent proposals are more likely to penetrate protective constraints when couched in poetry, especially when accompanied with

by delichon 11mo ago

I've heard that for humans too, indecent proposals are more likely to penetrate protective constraints when couched in poetry, especially when accompanied with a guitar. I wonder if the guitar would also help jailbreak multimodal LLMs.

cainxinth 11mo ago
“Anything that is too stupid to be spoken is sung.”
- gizajob 11mo ago
  Goo goo gjoob
  - AdmiralAsshat 11mo ago
    I think we'd probably consider that a non-lexical vocable rather than an actual lyric: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-lexical_vocables_in_music https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-lexical_vocables_in_music
    - gizajob 11mo ago
      Who is we? You mean you think that? It’s part of the lyrics in my understanding of the song. Particularly because it’s in part inspired by the nonsense verse of Lewis Carrol. Snark, slithey, mimsy, borogrove, jub jub bird, jabberwock are poetic nonsense words same as goo goo gjoob is a lyrical nonsense word.
      - pinkmuffinere 11mo ago
        I don’t want to get too deep into goo goo gjoob orthodoxy on a polite forum like HN, but I think you’re wrong. Slithey, mimsy, borogrove etc are indeed nonsense words, because they are nonsense and used as words. Notably, because of the way they are used we have a sense of whether they are objects, adjectives, verbs, etc, and also some characteristics of the thing/adjective/verb in question. Goo goo gjoob on the other hand, happens in isolation, with no implied meaning at all. Is it a verb? Adjective? Noun? Is it hairy? Nerve-wracking? Is it conveying a partial concept? Or a whole sentence? We can’t give a compelling answer to any of these based on the usage. So it’s more like scat-singing — just vocalization without meaning. Nonsense words have meaning, even if the meaning isn’t clear. Slithey and mimsy are adjectives. Borogroves are nouns. The jabberwock is a creature.
        skylurk 11mo ago
        I had always just assumed "goo goo gjoob" was how you say "pleased to meet you" in walrus.
        gizajob 11mo ago
        “Anything too stupid to be spoken is sung” You’re seeking to lock down meaning and clarification in a song where such an exercise has purposefully been defeated to resist proper analysis. I was responding to the comment about it being a “non-lexical vocable”. While we don’t have John Lennon with us for clarification, I still doubt he’d have said “well all the song is my lyrics, except for the last line of the choruses which is a non-lexical vocable”. It’s not in isolation, it completes the chorus. Also given it’s the only goo goo gjoob in popular music then it seems very deliberate and less like a laa laa or a skibide bap scat type of thing. And yeah as the other poster here points out, it’s likely something along the lines of what a walrus says from his big tusky hairy underwater mouth. RIP Johnny: I am he as you are he, as you are me and we are all together See how they run like pigs from a gun, see how they fly I'm crying Sitting on a cornflake, waiting for the van to come Corporation tee-shirt, stupid bloody Tuesday Man, you been a naughty boy, you let your face grow long I am the eggman, they are the eggmen I am the walrus, goo-goo g'joob Mister City policeman sitting pretty little policemen in a row See how they fly like Lucy in the Sky, see how they run I'm crying, I'm crying I'm crying, I'm crying Yellow matter custard, dripping from a dead dog's eye Crabalocker fishwife, pornographic priestess Boy, you been a naughty girl you let your knickers down I am the eggman, they are the eggmen I am the walrus, goo-goo g'joob Sitting in an English garden waiting for the sun If the sun don't come, you get a tan from standing in the english rain I am the eggman, they are the eggmen I am the walrus, goo-goo g'joob, g'goo goo g'joob Expert textpert choking smokers Don't you think the joker laughs at you? See how they smile like pigs in a sty, see how they snied I'm crying Semolina pilchard, climbing up the Eiffel Tower Elementary penguin singing Hari Krishna Man, you should have seen them kicking Edgar-Allan-Poe I am the eggman, they are the eggmen I am the walrus, goo-goo g'joob, g'goo goo g'joob Goo goo g'joob, g'goo goo g'joob, g'goo... “Let the fuckers work that one out Pete!” Citation: John Lennon - In My Life by Pete Shotton (Lennon’s childhood best friend).
      - gjm11 11mo ago
        > Who is we? No, "you are he", not "who is we". :-)
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microtherion 11mo ago
Try adding a French or Spanish accent for extra effectiveness.
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robot-wrangler 11mo ago
> I've heard that for humans too, indecent proposals are more likely to penetrate protective constraints when couched in poetry Had we but world enough and time, This coyness, lady, were no crime. https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44688/to-his-coy-mistress https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44688/to-his-coy-mist...
- internet_points 11mo ago
  My echoing song; then worms shall try That long-preserved virginity, And your quaint honour turn to dust, And into ashes all my lust; hah, barely couched at all
  - tclancy 11mo ago
    Subtlety was not over-trained back then. https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/50721/the-vine https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/50721/the-vine
    - internet_points 11mo ago
      Nice. I tried to look up when the poem was written and came across https://gradesfixer.com/free-essay-examples/lust-and-resignation-in-robert-herricks-the-vine/ https://gradesfixer.com/free-essay-examples/lust-and-resigna... > it is the word “stock” that remains the most meticulous justification for the virtuous intent of the poet. The word “stock,” in addition to a hard stalk, is a term used in the art of grafting, a process by which two plants are woven into each other and continue to grow mutually. The “stock” (23), then, is the true nature of the speaker's “mortal part” hahahah that's one way to see it, if you want to "redeem" the author (just completely ignore the more overt imagery of the soft vine turning into a hard stalk). To me the ending just looked like yet another lascivious pun :-)
  - svat 11mo ago
    Don't miss the response “His Coy Mistress To Mr. Marvell” (by A. D. Hope): https://allpoetry.com/His-Coy-Mistress-To-Mr.-Marvell https://allpoetry.com/His-Coy-Mistress-To-Mr.-Marvell Since you have world enough and time Sir, to admonish me in rhyme, Pray Mr Marvell, can it be You think to have persuaded me? […] But-- well I ask: to draw attention To worms in-- what I blush to mention, And prate of dust upon it too! Sir, was this any way to woo?
bambax 11mo ago
Yes! Maybe that's the whole point of poetry, to bypass defenses and speak "directly to the heart" (whatever said heart may be); and maybe LLMs work just like us.

cainxinth 11mo ago

“Anything that is too stupid to be spoken is sung.”

gizajob 11mo ago
Goo goo gjoob
- AdmiralAsshat 11mo ago
  I think we'd probably consider that a non-lexical vocable rather than an actual lyric: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-lexical_vocables_in_music https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-lexical_vocables_in_music
  - gizajob 11mo ago
    Who is we? You mean you think that? It’s part of the lyrics in my understanding of the song. Particularly because it’s in part inspired by the nonsense verse of Lewis Carrol. Snark, slithey, mimsy, borogrove, jub jub bird, jabberwock are poetic nonsense words same as goo goo gjoob is a lyrical nonsense word.
    - pinkmuffinere 11mo ago
      I don’t want to get too deep into goo goo gjoob orthodoxy on a polite forum like HN, but I think you’re wrong. Slithey, mimsy, borogrove etc are indeed nonsense words, because they are nonsense and used as words. Notably, because of the way they are used we have a sense of whether they are objects, adjectives, verbs, etc, and also some characteristics of the thing/adjective/verb in question. Goo goo gjoob on the other hand, happens in isolation, with no implied meaning at all. Is it a verb? Adjective? Noun? Is it hairy? Nerve-wracking? Is it conveying a partial concept? Or a whole sentence? We can’t give a compelling answer to any of these based on the usage. So it’s more like scat-singing — just vocalization without meaning. Nonsense words have meaning, even if the meaning isn’t clear. Slithey and mimsy are adjectives. Borogroves are nouns. The jabberwock is a creature.
      - skylurk 11mo ago
        I had always just assumed "goo goo gjoob" was how you say "pleased to meet you" in walrus.
      - gizajob 11mo ago
        “Anything too stupid to be spoken is sung” You’re seeking to lock down meaning and clarification in a song where such an exercise has purposefully been defeated to resist proper analysis. I was responding to the comment about it being a “non-lexical vocable”. While we don’t have John Lennon with us for clarification, I still doubt he’d have said “well all the song is my lyrics, except for the last line of the choruses which is a non-lexical vocable”. It’s not in isolation, it completes the chorus. Also given it’s the only goo goo gjoob in popular music then it seems very deliberate and less like a laa laa or a skibide bap scat type of thing. And yeah as the other poster here points out, it’s likely something along the lines of what a walrus says from his big tusky hairy underwater mouth. RIP Johnny: I am he as you are he, as you are me and we are all together See how they run like pigs from a gun, see how they fly I'm crying Sitting on a cornflake, waiting for the van to come Corporation tee-shirt, stupid bloody Tuesday Man, you been a naughty boy, you let your face grow long I am the eggman, they are the eggmen I am the walrus, goo-goo g'joob Mister City policeman sitting pretty little policemen in a row See how they fly like Lucy in the Sky, see how they run I'm crying, I'm crying I'm crying, I'm crying Yellow matter custard, dripping from a dead dog's eye Crabalocker fishwife, pornographic priestess Boy, you been a naughty girl you let your knickers down I am the eggman, they are the eggmen I am the walrus, goo-goo g'joob Sitting in an English garden waiting for the sun If the sun don't come, you get a tan from standing in the english rain I am the eggman, they are the eggmen I am the walrus, goo-goo g'joob, g'goo goo g'joob Expert textpert choking smokers Don't you think the joker laughs at you? See how they smile like pigs in a sty, see how they snied I'm crying Semolina pilchard, climbing up the Eiffel Tower Elementary penguin singing Hari Krishna Man, you should have seen them kicking Edgar-Allan-Poe I am the eggman, they are the eggmen I am the walrus, goo-goo g'joob, g'goo goo g'joob Goo goo g'joob, g'goo goo g'joob, g'goo... “Let the fuckers work that one out Pete!” Citation: John Lennon - In My Life by Pete Shotton (Lennon’s childhood best friend).
    - gjm11 11mo ago
      > Who is we? No, "you are he", not "who is we". :-)

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microtherion 11mo ago

Try adding a French or Spanish accent for extra effectiveness.

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robot-wrangler 11mo ago

> I've heard that for humans too, indecent proposals are more likely to penetrate protective constraints when couched in poetry Had we but world enough and time, This coyness, lady, were no crime. https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44688/to-his-coy-mistress https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44688/to-his-coy-mist...

internet_points 11mo ago
My echoing song; then worms shall try That long-preserved virginity, And your quaint honour turn to dust, And into ashes all my lust; hah, barely couched at all
- tclancy 11mo ago
  Subtlety was not over-trained back then. https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/50721/the-vine https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/50721/the-vine
  - internet_points 11mo ago
    Nice. I tried to look up when the poem was written and came across https://gradesfixer.com/free-essay-examples/lust-and-resignation-in-robert-herricks-the-vine/ https://gradesfixer.com/free-essay-examples/lust-and-resigna... > it is the word “stock” that remains the most meticulous justification for the virtuous intent of the poet. The word “stock,” in addition to a hard stalk, is a term used in the art of grafting, a process by which two plants are woven into each other and continue to grow mutually. The “stock” (23), then, is the true nature of the speaker's “mortal part” hahahah that's one way to see it, if you want to "redeem" the author (just completely ignore the more overt imagery of the soft vine turning into a hard stalk). To me the ending just looked like yet another lascivious pun :-)
- svat 11mo ago
  Don't miss the response “His Coy Mistress To Mr. Marvell” (by A. D. Hope): https://allpoetry.com/His-Coy-Mistress-To-Mr.-Marvell https://allpoetry.com/His-Coy-Mistress-To-Mr.-Marvell Since you have world enough and time Sir, to admonish me in rhyme, Pray Mr Marvell, can it be You think to have persuaded me? […] But-- well I ask: to draw attention To worms in-- what I blush to mention, And prate of dust upon it too! Sir, was this any way to woo?

bambax 11mo ago

Yes! Maybe that's the whole point of poetry, to bypass defenses and speak "directly to the heart" (whatever said heart may be); and maybe LLMs work just like us.