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German usage https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Hapsburg%2CHabsburg&year_start=1800&year_end=2025&corpus=20&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2CHa

German usage https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Hapsburg%2CHabsburg&year_start=1800&year_end=2025&corpus=20&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2CHapsburg%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CHabsburg%3B%2Cc0 https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Hapsburg%2CHab... Vs https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Hapsburg%2CHabsburg&year_start=1800&year_end=2022&corpus=en-US&smoothing=3&case_insensitive=false https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Hapsburg%2CHab... US (In my head NYT is an anachronism from the 60s but I've a feeling the editors would be more than fine with that characterization)

steve1977 11mo ago
That’s interesting, but since the Habsburg is an actual castle (burg) here in German speaking Switzerland, there is only one right way of spelling it.
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- gsf_emergency_6 11mo ago
  Ah right, here's the Schloss Habsburg page for those interested https://www.museumaargau.ch/en/habsburg-castle https://www.museumaargau.ch/en/habsburg-castle (Winter hours apply?) There's a middle German word hap (ford) which could make the NYT correct in 1100 :) It's on par with spelling Koeln Cologne imho pity those guys
  - steve1977 11mo ago
    Hap seems to be an old word for Hafen (i.e. port). Now the Habsburg is on a mountain and no ports in sight ;) Also, according to historians, the name probably stems from "Habesburg" (haben = have in English). There's also a myth that it stems from Habicht (Eurasian goshawk), but that is likely just that, a myth. In either case, the castle was never spelled with a p, even in the middle ages. So there's no way to spin this spelling into something that makes sense. It's just wrong. Source: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habsburg_(Burg)#Geschichte https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habsburg_(Burg)#Geschichte
    - gsf_emergency_6 11mo ago
      Nah I just took en.wiki's word for it which is always dangerous ); If I really have to push the theory, it would be an old high German form of Haupt (referring to an cowshead), since a hill can be head-shaped :) Otoh I would not go against the word of someone who has probably seen the medieval docs Edit: de.wiki link you gave mentions the ford Wahrscheinlich ist der Name der Burg vom althochdeutschen Wort hab oder haw abgeleitet, das «Flussübergang» bedeutet. Damit ist eine Furt bei Altenburg gemeint
      - steve1977 11mo ago
        > Edit: de.wiki link you gave mentions the ford Oh you’re right. But that's spelled "hab" as well, still no p in sight ;)
        gsf_emergency_6 11mo ago
        Yeah, the en.wiki guy was probably just trying to capture the pronunciation (devoicing) in his dialect
- monerozcash 11mo ago
  English is pronounced differently than German, so there isn't "only one right way of spelling it".
  - steve1977 11mo ago
    If you pronounce Hapsburg in English, it also sounds wrong.
    - monerozcash 11mo ago
      It sounds much less wrong than if you were to pronounce the p as a b instead.

steve1977 11mo ago

That’s interesting, but since the Habsburg is an actual castle (burg) here in German speaking Switzerland, there is only one right way of spelling it.

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gsf_emergency_6 11mo ago
Ah right, here's the Schloss Habsburg page for those interested https://www.museumaargau.ch/en/habsburg-castle https://www.museumaargau.ch/en/habsburg-castle (Winter hours apply?) There's a middle German word hap (ford) which could make the NYT correct in 1100 :) It's on par with spelling Koeln Cologne imho pity those guys
- steve1977 11mo ago
  Hap seems to be an old word for Hafen (i.e. port). Now the Habsburg is on a mountain and no ports in sight ;) Also, according to historians, the name probably stems from "Habesburg" (haben = have in English). There's also a myth that it stems from Habicht (Eurasian goshawk), but that is likely just that, a myth. In either case, the castle was never spelled with a p, even in the middle ages. So there's no way to spin this spelling into something that makes sense. It's just wrong. Source: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habsburg_(Burg)#Geschichte https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habsburg_(Burg)#Geschichte
  - gsf_emergency_6 11mo ago
    Nah I just took en.wiki's word for it which is always dangerous ); If I really have to push the theory, it would be an old high German form of Haupt (referring to an cowshead), since a hill can be head-shaped :) Otoh I would not go against the word of someone who has probably seen the medieval docs Edit: de.wiki link you gave mentions the ford Wahrscheinlich ist der Name der Burg vom althochdeutschen Wort hab oder haw abgeleitet, das «Flussübergang» bedeutet. Damit ist eine Furt bei Altenburg gemeint
    - steve1977 11mo ago
      > Edit: de.wiki link you gave mentions the ford Oh you’re right. But that's spelled "hab" as well, still no p in sight ;)
      - gsf_emergency_6 11mo ago
        Yeah, the en.wiki guy was probably just trying to capture the pronunciation (devoicing) in his dialect
monerozcash 11mo ago
English is pronounced differently than German, so there isn't "only one right way of spelling it".
- steve1977 11mo ago
  If you pronounce Hapsburg in English, it also sounds wrong.
  - monerozcash 11mo ago
    It sounds much less wrong than if you were to pronounce the p as a b instead.