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I've been saying we need a separate Internet for kids. Not just because of pedos, but because young adults don't have the same level of respect and filters that

by sanex 11mo ago

I've been saying we need a separate Internet for kids. Not just because of pedos, but because young adults don't have the same level of respect and filters that one should have when dealing with kids and it's exposing them to behavior they shouldn't. This is a great step.

kachapopopow 11mo ago
while yes, they probably should, however, it wouldn't protect them from pedos.
JumpCrisscross 11mo ago
> we need a separate Internet for kids Good start. But this still leaves them at the mercy of these tech companies. Kids—especially pre-teens—should not have social media. There is just way too much evidence that this has harmed and is harming an increasingly class-segregated generation. Gas stations are careful about selling cigarettes to kids. We need these developers to have even a shadow of that concern.
- bilegeek 11mo ago
  Problem is some kids don't have alternatives to online. Just recently on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45945114 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45945114 Not saying you're wrong, but it's more complicated than you think in many cases. The rot goes deep into society as a whole, which tech corpos then exploit.
  - JumpCrisscross 11mo ago
    > some kids don't have alternatives to online A phenomenon that's facilitated by their access to screens. (There is a horrifying class divide emerging in the West in the 1:1 relationship between kids' screen time and the parents' wealth.)
- Aloisius 11mo ago
  Today: Social media is harming our kids, ban it! 30 years ago: Video games are harming our kids, ban it! 60 years ago: Rock and roll is harming our kids, ban it! There is little evidence to support social media causes harm. Even correlations are weak. As a large study on the subject put it, the association of well-being with regularly eating potatoes was nearly as negative as the association with [social media] use. This looks like yet another moral panic.
  - loloquwowndueo 11mo ago
    Dude no, sorry, those things have nothing on Roblox, it’s the most toxic damaging thing ever.
  - hollerith 11mo ago
    >the association of well-being with regularly eating potatoes was nearly as negative as the association with [social media] use. Maybe regularly eating potatoes is a lot worse for a person that most of us currently realize. (They do have an extremely high glycemic index and high levels of oxalic acid.)
    - Aloisius 11mo ago
      Potatoes are harming the kids, ban it? Seriously though, the correlation is just weak - far to weak to actually draw conclusions from let alone ban it.
      - josephg 11mo ago
        Australia and Denmark are on track to ban social media for kids. I hope scientists are watching - it’ll be fascinating to get some actual data on what happens.
  - rgregg 11mo ago
    I mean.. you do you, but the data seems pretty clear. Social media use among children significantly impacts mental health in a negative way, in well designed study after study. There's a good summary out of the HHS (at least until they take it down): https://www.hhs.gov/surgeongeneral/reports-and-publications/youth-mental-health/social-media/index.html https://www.hhs.gov/surgeongeneral/reports-and-publications/... You have any pointers to well designed studies that show it's as innocent as a video game or rock and roll?
Natsu 11mo ago
We had AOL back in the day, but...
cohogndaaz 11mo ago
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rjdj377dhabsn 11mo ago
No, we don't. You need to teach your kids the skills to deal with the realities of the modern world before giving them unrestricted access to the internet.
- sanex 11mo ago
  Yeah let me explain racism and all the swearing from these degenerates who can't behave themselves around children.
  - rjdj377dhabsn 11mo ago
    Sure, why not? The alternative is for your children to learn about these things on their own, which isn't that bad either. Most kids turn out just fine that way.
samename 11mo ago
I agree that separating kids from adults is an improvement, but I disagree this is a "great step" due to the mechanism. Using a child's biometrics is a horrible step. Why can't this just be done with parental controls? We should not normalize games collecting biometrics on children. I don't expect them to keep the data safe or to not abuse the data.
- sanex 11mo ago
  Yeah parental controls is probably the optimal solution. Biometrics makes me uncomfortable as well. They say they're deleting it immediately but do you trust them? I know better than to trust in anything being deleted.
  - samename 11mo ago
    They only claim to delete the picture an video, so I don’t the biometric will be deleted since it’s not mentioned
Hizonner 11mo ago
> I've been saying we need a separate Internet for kids. That is moronic. And destructive. Children are human beings, and are supposed to get a chance to grow naturally into being community members. That is an incremental process. Not everybody does all the parts in the same order, nor at the same rate. And you don't suddenly snap from being a "child" into being an "adult", and reboot all your human connections in that moment. You don't mature at all without interacting with some adult role models (not just seeing them from afar, and not just seeing the parts people want to show you). No, your parents are not enough. You also need to interact with slightly older, and substantially older, non-adults. The tight age cohort isolation produced by schools is already destructive enough to social development. Children are also entitled to have access to information and activities, just like everybody else. And, no, not all of that would somehow get duplicated into your child ghetto. And it means absolutely nothing that people "used to do that just fine without the Internet". That was before everything was done via the Internet. > Not just because of pedos, but because young adults don't have the same level of respect and filters that one should have when dealing with kids and it's exposing them to behavior they shouldn't. Get a fucking grip. Kids can handle knowing about behavior you don't like. They can handle knowing about really bad behavior. They can handle seeing what older people do,and what the consequences are. In fact, that is essential to the development of their own values and capacity for self-governance. If you raise somebody in a box until the age of 18, don't be surprised if they can't deal with the outside world when you force them out of it.
- sanex 11mo ago
  Lol you think your average internet gamer is a ROLE MODEL. My god what a joke. I've never heard worse things in my life than in a call of duty lobby and we don't need children exposed to that level of hatred when they're still innocent.
  - Hizonner 11mo ago
    Why do you hang out there then? And why is it the first thing you think of when you think about a giant worldwide information network? I try not to think of everybody who plays video games as an arrested adolescent in Mom's basement, but it's kind of hard. Especially with the "Lol" stuff.

by sanex 11mo ago

kachapopopow 11mo ago

while yes, they probably should, however, it wouldn't protect them from pedos.

JumpCrisscross 11mo ago

> we need a separate Internet for kids Good start. But this still leaves them at the mercy of these tech companies. Kids—especially pre-teens—should not have social media. There is just way too much evidence that this has harmed and is harming an increasingly class-segregated generation. Gas stations are careful about selling cigarettes to kids. We need these developers to have even a shadow of that concern.

bilegeek 11mo ago
Problem is some kids don't have alternatives to online. Just recently on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45945114 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45945114 Not saying you're wrong, but it's more complicated than you think in many cases. The rot goes deep into society as a whole, which tech corpos then exploit.
- JumpCrisscross 11mo ago
  > some kids don't have alternatives to online A phenomenon that's facilitated by their access to screens. (There is a horrifying class divide emerging in the West in the 1:1 relationship between kids' screen time and the parents' wealth.)
Aloisius 11mo ago
Today: Social media is harming our kids, ban it! 30 years ago: Video games are harming our kids, ban it! 60 years ago: Rock and roll is harming our kids, ban it! There is little evidence to support social media causes harm. Even correlations are weak. As a large study on the subject put it, the association of well-being with regularly eating potatoes was nearly as negative as the association with [social media] use. This looks like yet another moral panic.
- loloquwowndueo 11mo ago
  Dude no, sorry, those things have nothing on Roblox, it’s the most toxic damaging thing ever.
- hollerith 11mo ago
  >the association of well-being with regularly eating potatoes was nearly as negative as the association with [social media] use. Maybe regularly eating potatoes is a lot worse for a person that most of us currently realize. (They do have an extremely high glycemic index and high levels of oxalic acid.)
  - Aloisius 11mo ago
    Potatoes are harming the kids, ban it? Seriously though, the correlation is just weak - far to weak to actually draw conclusions from let alone ban it.
    - josephg 11mo ago
      Australia and Denmark are on track to ban social media for kids. I hope scientists are watching - it’ll be fascinating to get some actual data on what happens.
- rgregg 11mo ago
  I mean.. you do you, but the data seems pretty clear. Social media use among children significantly impacts mental health in a negative way, in well designed study after study. There's a good summary out of the HHS (at least until they take it down): https://www.hhs.gov/surgeongeneral/reports-and-publications/youth-mental-health/social-media/index.html https://www.hhs.gov/surgeongeneral/reports-and-publications/... You have any pointers to well designed studies that show it's as innocent as a video game or rock and roll?

Natsu 11mo ago

We had AOL back in the day, but...

cohogndaaz 11mo ago

[dead]

rjdj377dhabsn 11mo ago

No, we don't. You need to teach your kids the skills to deal with the realities of the modern world before giving them unrestricted access to the internet.

sanex 11mo ago
Yeah let me explain racism and all the swearing from these degenerates who can't behave themselves around children.
- rjdj377dhabsn 11mo ago
  Sure, why not? The alternative is for your children to learn about these things on their own, which isn't that bad either. Most kids turn out just fine that way.

samename 11mo ago

I agree that separating kids from adults is an improvement, but I disagree this is a "great step" due to the mechanism. Using a child's biometrics is a horrible step. Why can't this just be done with parental controls? We should not normalize games collecting biometrics on children. I don't expect them to keep the data safe or to not abuse the data.

sanex 11mo ago
Yeah parental controls is probably the optimal solution. Biometrics makes me uncomfortable as well. They say they're deleting it immediately but do you trust them? I know better than to trust in anything being deleted.
- samename 11mo ago
  They only claim to delete the picture an video, so I don’t the biometric will be deleted since it’s not mentioned

Hizonner 11mo ago

> I've been saying we need a separate Internet for kids. That is moronic. And destructive. Children are human beings, and are supposed to get a chance to grow naturally into being community members. That is an incremental process. Not everybody does all the parts in the same order, nor at the same rate. And you don't suddenly snap from being a "child" into being an "adult", and reboot all your human connections in that moment. You don't mature at all without interacting with some adult role models (not just seeing them from afar, and not just seeing the parts people want to show you). No, your parents are not enough. You also need to interact with slightly older, and substantially older, non-adults. The tight age cohort isolation produced by schools is already destructive enough to social development. Children are also entitled to have access to information and activities, just like everybody else. And, no, not all of that would somehow get duplicated into your child ghetto. And it means absolutely nothing that people "used to do that just fine without the Internet". That was before everything was done via the Internet. > Not just because of pedos, but because young adults don't have the same level of respect and filters that one should have when dealing with kids and it's exposing them to behavior they shouldn't. Get a fucking grip. Kids can handle knowing about behavior you don't like. They can handle knowing about really bad behavior. They can handle seeing what older people do,and what the consequences are. In fact, that is essential to the development of their own values and capacity for self-governance. If you raise somebody in a box until the age of 18, don't be surprised if they can't deal with the outside world when you force them out of it.

sanex 11mo ago
Lol you think your average internet gamer is a ROLE MODEL. My god what a joke. I've never heard worse things in my life than in a call of duty lobby and we don't need children exposed to that level of hatred when they're still innocent.
- Hizonner 11mo ago
  Why do you hang out there then? And why is it the first thing you think of when you think about a giant worldwide information network? I try not to think of everybody who plays video games as an arrested adolescent in Mom's basement, but it's kind of hard. Especially with the "Lol" stuff.