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Nothing personal against tailscale but I hope it drives the point home that leaving the hosting of the key exchange server for your mesh network to an external
by sureglymop 11mo ago
Nothing personal against tailscale but I hope it drives the point home that leaving the hosting of the key exchange server for your mesh network to an external entity is a little bit ridiculous.
- _2d30 11mo agoAre self-hosted solutions impervious to outages? I wasn't aware.
- the_gipsy 11mo agoWho said that
- LeoPanthera 11mo ago"sureglymop" certainly implied it, otherwise I don't know what the point of that comment was.
- sureglymop 11mo agoIn my comment I didn't specify this but I was thinking more about security than operations when I wrote it.
- _2d30 11mo agoAs LeoPanthera said, it is clearly implied.
- the_gipsy 11mo agoI read the implication as: being at the mercy of a third party. You can do nothing.
- _2d30 11mo agoSurely we aren't meant to believe that having some critical part of our lives or businesses dependent on a third party is "a little bit ridiculous"? I don't imagine I should be expected to launch my own bank or semiconductor fab.
- mbesto 11mo agoIf your key exchange server is on us-east-1 are you also ridiculous?
- bithavoc 11mo agowith Tailscale Lock you have a lot more control, you can also self-host your coordinator server which is an alternative even mentioned in the service docs[0] [0] https://tailscale.com/kb/1226/tailnet-lock https://tailscale.com/kb/1226/tailnet-lock
- mikeocool 11mo agoMy self hosted stuff has outages too. The even more annoying part is that it stays broken until I get around to fixing it.
- petcat 11mo agoImagine if stays broken until somebody else gets around to fixing it
- ksenzee 11mo agoThere are more somebody elses than there are mes.
- derefr 11mo agoAnd for some specific somebody, fixing the problem is their whole job. It’s definitely not my whole job. Maybe not even my job at all (if it’s something I just use as part of a personal hobby.)
- halJordan 11mo agoSure would be a shame if they all got together and decided some things for you. But that would never happen. Right?
- pfannkuchen 11mo agoCraftsman guilds don’t scale, alas.
- nntwozz 11mo agoI heat my house with a wood stove, I'm not part of the energy grid. I run my own WireGuard because I like to be the one responsible. To each their own, no need for snark comments.
- javier2 11mo agoI ran my own Wireguard for years, but its too clunky and difficult to put all my devices on it. And if the power at my house goes out, the net is fully down. I suppose its a trade-off for using Tailscale now, with a great command line tool and a great UI so I have actually onboarded the rest of my family here. It was too much of a hassle with plain Wireguard nodes.
- UltraSane 11mo agoCloud providers have enormous economic incentive to recover from outages as fast as possible and can bring many more people to help, often ones who wrote the code and designed the system. I once worked for a state government where the exchange server was down for two weeks.
- briffle 11mo agoI had to deal with a state Medicaid system that would go down often. If it crashed after 5pm, it was down until the next morning when someone rebooted the SunOS box. (Yes, they just rebooted the box, and no, in 2014 it was still sunos, not Solaris). Meanwhile, it’s messing up pharmacy authorization for thousand of elderly and low income people in the state ….
- myko 11mo agoFor me tailscale being down just means I can't access things I'm not comfortable exposing publicly outside my home. It isn't a huge deal as I rarely have that need.
- brewdad 11mo agoAnd if I am at home, the box is upstairs. I can connect a keyboard and monitor and continue about my business.