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Waymo has driven a hundred million miles and is far safer than human drivers.
by JimDabell 11mo ago
Waymo has driven a hundred million miles and is far safer than human drivers.
- amelius 11mo agoYes because they use non-AI techniques (LIDAR) to prevent them from bumping into things. I should have said non-LIDAR in my comment, yes.
- jchw 11mo agoI think you're still in the edit window, FYI. (At least for a few more minutes.)
- JimDabell 11mo agoLIDAR doesn’t stop them bumping into anything. LIDAR is a sensor, it doesn’t recognise anything or make decisions about steering, acceleration, or braking.
- amelius 11mo agoYou need more than the sensor, obviously. The point is that you don't need any AI to make a system this way that is substantially safer than a system based only on camera feeds and AI.
- JimDabell 11mo agoDo you think Waymo using LIDAR means that Waymo aren’t using AI? Waymo are using AI.
- amelius 11mo agoThat's not what I'm saying at all. Waymo uses LIDAR to ensure safety. They use AI for most of the rest.
- JimDabell 11mo ago> > While an error rate of 1-in-1,000 seems low, [...], on a task that requires successful execution of thousands of steps in a row, such a system results in inevitable failure. > This is also why (edit: non-LIDAR) FSD cars are an illusion. In this scenario, Waymo’s AI is executing thousands of steps in a row. The fact that it uses LIDAR for sensing doesn’t change that. It’s still AI driving you around no matter what its eyes are made of. Waymo is a counterexample to the point you were making and their use of LIDAR doesn’t change that.
- amelius 11mo agoNo because safety is guaranteed by the LIDAR and navigation is done by GPS+classical algorithms. Mistakes made by the AI can be overcome by those two non-AI approaches + reiterating the AI-based steps.