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> Yeah, it is often pointed out as a brilliance in game analysis if a GM makes a move that an engine says is bad and turns out to be good. Do you have any link
by jeswin 11mo ago
> Yeah, it is often pointed out as a brilliance in game analysis if a GM makes a move that an engine says is bad and turns out to be good.
Do you have any links? I haven't seen any such (forget GM, not even Magnus), barring the opponent making mistakes.
- typpilol 11mo agoMaybe he means not the best move but an equally almost strong move? Because ya, that doesn't happen lol.
- yunwal 11mo agoHere’s a chess stackexchange of positions that stump engines https://chess.stackexchange.com/questions/29716/positions-that-stump-engines#:~:text=Examples%20include,are%20also https://chess.stackexchange.com/questions/29716/positions-th... It basically comes down to “ideas that are rare enough that they were never programmed into a chess engine”. Blockades or positions where no progress is possible are a common theme. Engines will often keep tree searching where a human sees an obvious repeating pattern. Here’s also an example where 2 engines are playing, and deep mind finds a move that I think would be obvious to most grandmasters, yet stockfish misses it https://youtu.be/lFXJWPhDsSY?si=zaLQR6sWdEJBMbIO https://youtu.be/lFXJWPhDsSY?si=zaLQR6sWdEJBMbIO That being said, I’m not sure that this necessarily correlates with brilliancy. There are a few of these that I would probably get in classical time and I’m not a particularly brilliant player.
- TheRoque 11mo agoStockfish totally dropped hand crafted evaluations in 2023.
- yunwal 11mo agoIt’s still the case that the evaluation model hasn’t seen enough examples of a blockade to be able to understand it as far as I can tell. Some very simple ones it can (in fact I’ve seen stockfish/alpha-zero execute quite clever blockades before). But there’s still a gap where humans understand them better.
- bluecalm 11mo agoIt used to happen way more often with Magnus and classical versions of Stockfish from pre Alpha Zero/Leela Zero days. Since NN Stockfish I don't think it happens anymore.