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Just amazing that people keep letting the Ford CEO get away with this fake $120k claim.

by Sevii 11mo ago

MBCook 11mo ago
Can you provide a link debunking it?
- deadbolt 11mo ago
  indeed.com
- general1465 11mo ago
  Ford mechanic explaining where is a problem. https://www.motor1.com/news/774805/ford-ceo-complains-shortage-mechanics/ https://www.motor1.com/news/774805/ford-ceo-complains-shorta...
fooker 11mo ago
You could try to start a manufacturing business and see how it goes. It’s pretty dire. Check out the ‘Smarter Everyday’ YouTube video for what it took to get people to design and manufacture a simple grill scrubber in the US. They could find exactly one old retired guy with the knowledge and experience to make a mold, across several states. You can get this done and delivered in 20 minutes in Shenzhen, and talk to an expert over a storefront countertop by walking over a few hundred feet from your business.
- Tadpole9181 11mo ago
  Yes, there is a lack of people with tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars to start a mass manufacturing business of parts everyone can get in China for a tenth of the cost. There is not a lack of mechanics who can assemble Fords on a factory line from pre-built components with instructions. FFS. Yes, America has a serious problem. No, the Ford CEO is not actually pointing it out. He's fucking lying so he can justify using what amounts to slave labor in other countries while also touting "patriotism" branding while also refusing to do even the tiniest possible to alleviate the problem via training.
  - fooker 11mo ago
    > assemble Fords on a factory line This job is very different from your great grandfathers Ford factory job. Go tour a modern car factory. The concept of a line worker is on its way out. The work is more on the side of maintaining the contraptions that make the car and retooling/tweaking it on a regular basis.
    - tarsinge 11mo ago
      I’m not a native English speaker and I have a hard time figuring out what is behind the term "mechanics" here. What I find online seems to point to working in a garage and knowing how to do repairs, not being a line worker or technician in a factory doing maintenance on machinery like you say. In the article it’s confusing, they talk about servicing and trades school, so not really factory work. Maybe I’m lost in translation but it looks like even English speakers are not using a vague term to talk about different things here? What does is 120k job really about, working in a Ford garage fixing cars or being a factory technician?
      - fooker 11mo ago
        > being a factory technician? This one. > working in a Ford garage fixing cars In general (except for Tesla), there are no $Company garages in the US like the rest of the world, all repair work is handled by privately owned dealerships, whose existence is mandated by the government in most states. Experienced mechanics make about 40$ per hour at these, with juniors about half that. You'd not have trouble finding a mechanic for this rate, it being slightly above the median income.
- znpy 11mo ago
  > They could find exactly one old retired guy with the knowledge and experience to make a mold, across several states. Have you considered the issue being no company is willing to do on-the-job training ? I hardly can believe that retired guy had everything figured out prior to starting his first day of work.
  - fooker 11mo ago
    You can not replace 12 years of education with 'on the job training'. You could 50 years ago. You still can, for some aspects of software engineering, which makes tech people believe that it can be done for everything. But no, you are not going to teach someone modern chemistry, electronics, and general wetlab work with 'on the job training'.
pragmatic 11mo ago
Yes, where is a link to a job page? Just one. The description, the location and the salary. Again just one link. Anyone seen one? Can you post it here?

Just amazing that people keep letting the Ford CEO get away with this fake $120k claim.

by Sevii 11mo ago

Just amazing that people keep letting the Ford CEO get away with this fake $120k claim.

MBCook 11mo ago

Can you provide a link debunking it?

deadbolt 11mo ago
indeed.com
general1465 11mo ago
Ford mechanic explaining where is a problem. https://www.motor1.com/news/774805/ford-ceo-complains-shortage-mechanics/ https://www.motor1.com/news/774805/ford-ceo-complains-shorta...

fooker 11mo ago

You could try to start a manufacturing business and see how it goes. It’s pretty dire. Check out the ‘Smarter Everyday’ YouTube video for what it took to get people to design and manufacture a simple grill scrubber in the US. They could find exactly one old retired guy with the knowledge and experience to make a mold, across several states. You can get this done and delivered in 20 minutes in Shenzhen, and talk to an expert over a storefront countertop by walking over a few hundred feet from your business.

Tadpole9181 11mo ago
Yes, there is a lack of people with tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars to start a mass manufacturing business of parts everyone can get in China for a tenth of the cost. There is not a lack of mechanics who can assemble Fords on a factory line from pre-built components with instructions. FFS. Yes, America has a serious problem. No, the Ford CEO is not actually pointing it out. He's fucking lying so he can justify using what amounts to slave labor in other countries while also touting "patriotism" branding while also refusing to do even the tiniest possible to alleviate the problem via training.
- fooker 11mo ago
  > assemble Fords on a factory line This job is very different from your great grandfathers Ford factory job. Go tour a modern car factory. The concept of a line worker is on its way out. The work is more on the side of maintaining the contraptions that make the car and retooling/tweaking it on a regular basis.
  - tarsinge 11mo ago
    I’m not a native English speaker and I have a hard time figuring out what is behind the term "mechanics" here. What I find online seems to point to working in a garage and knowing how to do repairs, not being a line worker or technician in a factory doing maintenance on machinery like you say. In the article it’s confusing, they talk about servicing and trades school, so not really factory work. Maybe I’m lost in translation but it looks like even English speakers are not using a vague term to talk about different things here? What does is 120k job really about, working in a Ford garage fixing cars or being a factory technician?
    - fooker 11mo ago
      > being a factory technician? This one. > working in a Ford garage fixing cars In general (except for Tesla), there are no $Company garages in the US like the rest of the world, all repair work is handled by privately owned dealerships, whose existence is mandated by the government in most states. Experienced mechanics make about 40$ per hour at these, with juniors about half that. You'd not have trouble finding a mechanic for this rate, it being slightly above the median income.
znpy 11mo ago
> They could find exactly one old retired guy with the knowledge and experience to make a mold, across several states. Have you considered the issue being no company is willing to do on-the-job training ? I hardly can believe that retired guy had everything figured out prior to starting his first day of work.
- fooker 11mo ago
  You can not replace 12 years of education with 'on the job training'. You could 50 years ago. You still can, for some aspects of software engineering, which makes tech people believe that it can be done for everything. But no, you are not going to teach someone modern chemistry, electronics, and general wetlab work with 'on the job training'.

pragmatic 11mo ago

Yes, where is a link to a job page? Just one. The description, the location and the salary. Again just one link. Anyone seen one? Can you post it here?