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I might just be getting old, but more and more I see people not using indicators and not understanding the rules of junctions. Tail gating also really annoying.
by pipes 11mo ago
I might just be getting old, but more and more I see people not using indicators and not understanding the rules of junctions. Tail gating also really annoying.
I was in a mates car recently and it scared the hell out of me, he was tail gating for most of a 3 hour journey. Eventually we got to a bit with chevrons and he wasn't obeying the rule staying N chevrons away from the car in front. I told him and he replied "nonsense, my car beeps if I'm too close to the car in front" I didn't have the energy to point out that is a collision warning not a safe distance measurer type device.
- abustamam 11mo agoWow this gives me anxiety just reading. My 2012 BMW has a warning everytime I turn it on. "DO NOT RELY ON BEEPS" (I'm paraphrasing of course.) And yeah, I don't let tooling on my car replace common sense driving habits. I still turn my head when reversing, even if I can see what's behind me on the camera. I think it's crazy that people rely so much on unreliable tech on their cars.
- ash_091 11mo agoThe recommended 3 second gap is a much bigger distance than most people recognise, especially at high speed. On another note- I feel sad that you could tell your mate "the way you're driving is making me uncomfortable" and be met with basically "your discomfort isn't valid because [technology] so I won't change my behaviour".
- MichaelBurjack 11mo agoAs someone who continues to mask in public shared-air settings for my own health, I am entirely unsurprised by that response and get it all the time. Recently heard from a friend that also continues to mask when sharing air, they had arranged car pooling for one of their children. And just this morning the other parent texted saying "your child wearing a mask makes me uncomfortable so we can no longer car pool". So … yeah. Entirely unsurprised by that attitude. "Every person for themselves but also not if it's something I personally dislike."
- pipes 11mo agoGenuine question (as in not a passive aggressive question!) why do you and your friends child mask?
- MichaelBurjack 11mo agoNot sure why you'd ask me that vs. use Google, feels like cornering a random driver to defend "Why do you use seatbelts?". But I'll offer one reply at your word that it's genuine and not passive-aggressive. 1. I am currently dealing with the after-effects of a previous Covid infection that requires expensive, ongoing medical treatment. I'm not anxious to test what additional infections may cause. 2. Wearing an N95 respirator is a cheap and easy preventative measure that is highly effective. 3. I adjust my habits based on measured risk. In my part of the world (Alberta), the current risk forecast for November 8-21 is that approximately 1 in every 81 people are currently infected with Covid. I relax my masking when it's 1 in 10,000 or less (which is not an unreasonable number; it's been there in the past). 4. Recent medical studies suggest that repeated Covid exposure is particularly harmful for children. Long Covid is now the #1 chronic condition in children in the US (displacing asthma as the top chronic childhood condition). As a parent, I see it as my responsibility to give my children the best chance at a long, healthy, medical-intervention-free life. A few links (or just use Google): - Covid monitoring in Canada: https://covid19resources.ca/ https://covid19resources.ca/ - Long Covid overtaking asthma as top childhood chronic illness: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2834486 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/... - Rolling Stone on Covid's affects on children: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/long-covid-kids-school-absenteeism-1235447552/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/long-c... - Remarks by Violet Affleck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBTjCqIxorw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBTjCqIxorw - Tom Hanks: https://whn.global/youve-got-a-friend-in-me-tom-hanks-shows-subway-riders-how-to-protect-their-health/ https://whn.global/youve-got-a-friend-in-me-tom-hanks-shows-... - A longer answer than mine: https://whn.global/yes-we-continue-wearing-masks/ https://whn.global/yes-we-continue-wearing-masks/
- DoomDestroyer 11mo ago
- pipes 11mo agoYes on your last point, I feel exactly the same way. If anyone told me I was driving too fast and they were uncomfortable I'd immediately be apologetic and slow down, and I'd genuinely feel bad about it. As I get older I've realised that most people in my life react negatively if I express emotion that what they are doing is upsetting. It is only recently that I've realised my sample size is small and this kind of gas lighting behaviour is not ok. I've actually reached a point where I'm thankful that the internet popularised the phrase because it had helped me diagnose shitty behaviour that I've tolerated my whole life.
- ash_091 11mo ago> most people in my life react negatively if I express emotion that what they are doing is upsetting Right. I guess they feel accused, as though you're attacking their behaviour rather than sharing how it makes you feel, and instinctively become defensive in response? It's wonderful to meet people who don't think this way. My partner is incredible at this, I can tell her "when you X I feel Y" and know without a doubt her reaction will come from a place of trying to work together to understand whether the problem and solution exist in X, Y or both.
- gblargg 11mo agoI was with a friend who was driving and he literally said that the car in front of him was driving fairly close to him. I have a funny bumper magnet that says "sorry for driving so close in front of you" that mocks this inversion of cause.
- mensetmanusman 11mo agoThis is amazing, ha
- johnisgood 11mo agoIt is funny, yet I wonder how many people actually get it. :D
- wat10000 11mo agoPeople just don’t care about driving. I get it. Maybe you're not interested in it. You’re at A, you want to arrive at B, and driving is just your tool for getting there. But to misquote Trotsky, you may not be interested in driving, but driving is interested in you. Driving is the most dangerous thing most drivers do on a regular basis. Probably by a significant margin. Even if you hate it, respect it. Put in the effort to do it well.
- paradox460 11mo agoMy favorite is that if you try to follow a safe distance, some jerk will immediately move to fill the space
- pipes 11mo agoOr toot their horn and flash their lights behind you
- CBLT 11mo agoAbout once a week I see someone cut in even though the person is literally tailgating. The driver at the back has to brake+swerve to not cause a high speed collision. There's actually nothing you can do to prevent these people from getting ahead of you. Don't worry about what they'll do, it's insane anyways. Just try not to die.
- gblargg 11mo agoI leave plenty of distance and don't have that problem. Occasionally people do fill the space, perhaps because I'm providing a safer place than people tailgating. This reduced risk benefits me too. I just slow a little bit to re-establish my following distance.
- avidiax 11mo agoJust realize that the sort of people that move to fill the space are not the sort to leave even 2 seconds of following distance. So once you restore your following distance, that person has cost you less than 2 seconds. Is it a bit annoying? Sure. But it's not a reason to start tailgating (not that you were necessarily claiming that).
- watwut 11mo agoNo, because once you to restore the distance, you have to go slower. The cars behind you then fill the restored space the moment they feel they can, because they perceive you as the slower car. If this happen with multiple cars and in practice it does, you are suddenly going very slow. The fact is, you can have only so much space in front of you as other cars allow. I had to reduce the distance literally because of this. It then stopped happening.
- BrenBarn 11mo agoI'd say just in general people have become way more cavalier and oblivious as drivers. I frequently see people doing wild stuff like driving at night with no headlights, or driving for several blocks in a bike lane. Every single yellow light is pushed to the limit, with often at least one (and sometimes multiple) drivers running the red light as well. I feel like a lot of is connected to a more general post-COVID decline in awareness of how one's actions affect others. People are just fine with doing anything they can get away with. I suspect the trend won't be reversed without a major increase in enforcement.
- jackvalentine 11mo agoI’ve noticed the same, and also people’s behaviour generally everywhere has bottomed out and not recovered. I was speaking to an ED nurse who said people have just forgotten how to relate and violence is through the roof every night in the hospital. Did we all get subtle brain damage?
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- StopDisinfo910 11mo agoI have legitimately been wondering for quite some time if we are not in a leaded gas kind of situation where something is adversely affecting the global population as a whole and we are left in the dark. Plenty of contenders between industrially processed food, social media, mobile phones. It might just be me getting paranoid however.
- DoomDestroyer 11mo agoThe N chevrons away on those roads are often ludicrously far apart. It it well over the 2 second rule and nobody follows it.
- mikestorrent 11mo agoWhat are these chevrons?
- imp0cat 11mo agoSafe distance markers. https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/Road_Markings/Chevrons_(Distance) https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/Road_Markings/Chevrons_(...
- abenga 11mo agoThere is no common 2 second rule, afaik. There is a 3 second rule, which is probably why they feel too far apart to you.
- turbonaut 11mo ago“Only a fool breaks the two second rule.” It’s a UK thing: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/national-highways-urges-drivers-to-use-the-two-second-rule-in-new-campaign https://www.gov.uk/government/news/national-highways-urges-d...
- tim333 11mo agoIn the UK there often isn't really space for it. The M25 usually looks like https://i2-prod.mylondon.news/article14471160.ece/ALTERNATES/s1023/9_JS85781386.jpg https://i2-prod.mylondon.news/article14471160.ece/ALTERNATES...
- tpholland 11mo ago...but you're often lucky to travel even a metre or so on the M25 in two seconds when it looks like that!
- smileysteve 11mo agoIn my city, if you use your indicators, traffic is more likely to close the gap on you than coordinate you.
- soneil 11mo agoIsn't it great being able to rely on tech that isn't doing what we think it's doing. I don't even need to keep an eye on my cooking anymore, the smoke alarm beeps when I get too close.
- 0xfeba 11mo ago> I might just be getting old, but more and more I see people not using indicators and not understanding the rules of junctions. Tail gating also really annoying. Same. I've also noticed that people entering the interstate seem to _expect_ that cars already on the interstate move over, or change speed to let them merge. Usually at 10-15 MPH slower than the speed of traffic. I've made a point to, when I cannot move over, remain in my lane at the same speed. And I've had people just absolutely wait until the last moment of a long on-ramp to speed up, or slow down to merge. It's bizarre.