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I truly do not understand what plan to use so I can use this model for longer than ~2 minutes. Using Anthropic or OpenAI's models are incredibly straightforwar

by mccoyb 11mo ago

I truly do not understand what plan to use so I can use this model for longer than ~2 minutes. Using Anthropic or OpenAI's models are incredibly straightforward -- pay us per month, here's the button you press, great. Where do I go for this for these Google models?

kachapopopow 11mo ago
ai studio, you get a bunch of usage free if you want more you buy credits (google one subscriptions also give you some additional usage)
- mccoyb 11mo ago
  I see -- so this is the "paid" AI studio plan? Does that have any relation to the Gemini plan thing: https://one.google.com/explore-plan/gemini-advanced?utm_source=gemini&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=sidenav_evo&g1_landing_page=65 https://one.google.com/explore-plan/gemini-advanced?utm_sour... ?
  - kachapopopow 11mo ago
    that's for the first party google integrations - not 3rd party. ai studio just gives you an api key that you can use anywhere.
fschuett 11mo ago
Update VSCode to the latest version and click the small "Chat" button at the top bar. GitHub gives you like $20 for free per month and I think they have a deal with the larger vendors because their pricing is insanely cheap. One week of vibe-coding costs me like $15, only downside to Copilot is that you can't work on multiple projects at the same time because of rate-limiting.
- mccoyb 11mo ago
  I'm asking about Gemini, not Copilot.
  - Xevion 11mo ago
    Copilot lets you access all sorts of models, including Gemini 3. https://i.xevion.dev/ShareX/2025/11/Code_9LWnDqpeCe.png https://i.xevion.dev/ShareX/2025/11/Code_9LWnDqpeCe.png
    - re-thc 11mo ago
      > Copilot lets you access all sorts of models It's not exactly the same since e.g. Copilot adds prompts, reduces context, etc.
  - jstummbillig 11mo ago
    You were asking about the model. You can use the model (Gemini 3 Pro) in Github Chat.
    - mccoyb 11mo ago
      Got it -- thanks both.
dboreham 11mo ago
Also Google discontinues everything in short order, so personally I'm waiting until they haven't discontinued this for, say 6 months, before wasting time evaluating it.
- mh- 11mo ago
  It's really impressive how much damage they've done to early adoption by earning themselves this reputation. I've even heard it in mainstream circles that have no idea what HN is, and aren't involved in tech. Probably would have been cheaper to keep Google Reader running - kidding, but this is the first time I remember the gut punch of Google cancelling something I heavily used personally.
  - ianburrell 11mo ago
    Google is bad about maintenance. They have a bunch of projects that are not getting changes. They are also bad about strategy. Good example is the number of messaging systems that have had. Instead of making new ones, they should have updated existing one with new backend and UI. I like the Google Messages sync SMS online with Google Fi, but it is missing features. If they could do it globally, they would have something big.
- KingMob 11mo ago
  Generally a good idea with Google, but if the pace of model releases keeps up, nobody will be running 6-month-old models from anyone.
closewith 11mo ago
Yeah, it truly is an outstandingly bad UX. To use Gemini CLI as a business user like I would Codex or Claude Code, how much and how do I pay?
- rafaquintanilha 11mo ago
  You can install the Gemini CLI (https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli) but assign a "paid" API key to it (unless you pay for Gemini Ultra).
  - closewith 11mo ago
    So where do I get a API key? Where do I sign up for Ultra?
    - int_19h 11mo ago
      For API key, go to https://aistudio.google.com/ https://aistudio.google.com/ and there's a link in the bottom left. But this is if you want to pay per token. Otherwise you should just be able to use your Gemini Pro subscription (it doesn't need Ultra). Subscriptions are at https://gemini.google/subscriptions/ https://gemini.google/subscriptions/
      - closewith 11mo ago
        Okay, thanks. Unfortunately, when I try to sign up to a plan on https://gemini.google/subscriptions/ https://gemini.google/subscriptions/, I am redirected to the Workspace Admin (as I'm a business user and One is only available to personal accounts), where I am offered Google Ultra AI for Business for €216 per month, but I can only upgrade the entire Workspace or nothing! Is that correct? I can't even upgrade a Group separately?
dktp 11mo ago
Google actually changed it somewhat recently (3 months ago, give or take) and you can use Gemini CLI with the "regular" Google AI Pro subscription (~22eur/month). Before that, it required a separate subscription I can't find the announcement anymore, but you can see it under benefits here https://support.google.com/googleone/answer/14534406?hl=en https://support.google.com/googleone/answer/14534406?hl=en The initial separate subscriptions were confusing at best. Current situation is pretty much same as Anthropic/OpenAI - straightforward Edit: changed ~1 month ago (https://old.reddit.com/r/Bard/comments/1npiv2o/google_ai_pro_and_ultra_subscribers_now_have/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Bard/comments/1npiv2o/google_ai_pro...)
- mccoyb 11mo ago
  I see -- but does this allow me to us the models within "Antigravity" with the same subscription? I poked around and couldn't figure this out.
  - jstummbillig 11mo ago
    Might not be decided yet. The AG pricing page says: "Public preview Individual plan $0/month" "Coming soon Team plan"
  - dktp 11mo ago
    I don't know either tbh. I wouldn't be surprised it the answer is no (and it will come later or something like that) I also tried to use Gemini 3 in my Gemini CLI and it's not available yet (it's available to all Ultra, but not all Pro subscribers), I needed to sign up to a waitlist All in all, Google is terrible at launching things like that in a concise and understandable way
    - cmrdporcupine 11mo ago
      Back in the early 00s having a 'waitlist' for gmail with invites was an exciting buzz-making marketing technique and justifiable technically. This is just irritating. I am not going to give them money until I know I can try their latest thing and they've made it hard for me to even know how I can do that.
mantenpanther 11mo ago
I am paying for AI ultra - no idea how to use it in the CLI. It says i dont‘t have access. The google admin/payment backend is pure evil. What a mess.
- thelittleone 11mo ago
  My test a few hours ago. Ultra plan got me ~20 minutes with Antigravity using Gemini 3 Pro (Low) before zero out.
  - artdigital 11mo ago
    Getting only 20 minutes of usage with a $240/mo plan is a bit ridiculous. How much usage did you get on 2.5-pro? Is it comparable to Claude Max or ChatGPT Pro on the CLI? So a weekly limit but in reality very hard to hit and mostly 'unlimited' unless very heavy usage?
ur-whale 11mo ago
> I truly do not understand what plan to use so I can use this model for longer than ~2 minutes. I had the exact same experience and walked away to chatgpt. What a mess.

by mccoyb 11mo ago

kachapopopow 11mo ago

ai studio, you get a bunch of usage free if you want more you buy credits (google one subscriptions also give you some additional usage)

mccoyb 11mo ago
I see -- so this is the "paid" AI studio plan? Does that have any relation to the Gemini plan thing: https://one.google.com/explore-plan/gemini-advanced?utm_source=gemini&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=sidenav_evo&g1_landing_page=65 https://one.google.com/explore-plan/gemini-advanced?utm_sour... ?
- kachapopopow 11mo ago
  that's for the first party google integrations - not 3rd party. ai studio just gives you an api key that you can use anywhere.

fschuett 11mo ago

Update VSCode to the latest version and click the small "Chat" button at the top bar. GitHub gives you like $20 for free per month and I think they have a deal with the larger vendors because their pricing is insanely cheap. One week of vibe-coding costs me like $15, only downside to Copilot is that you can't work on multiple projects at the same time because of rate-limiting.

mccoyb 11mo ago
I'm asking about Gemini, not Copilot.
- Xevion 11mo ago
  Copilot lets you access all sorts of models, including Gemini 3. https://i.xevion.dev/ShareX/2025/11/Code_9LWnDqpeCe.png https://i.xevion.dev/ShareX/2025/11/Code_9LWnDqpeCe.png
  - re-thc 11mo ago
    > Copilot lets you access all sorts of models It's not exactly the same since e.g. Copilot adds prompts, reduces context, etc.
- jstummbillig 11mo ago
  You were asking about the model. You can use the model (Gemini 3 Pro) in Github Chat.
  - mccoyb 11mo ago
    Got it -- thanks both.

dboreham 11mo ago

Also Google discontinues everything in short order, so personally I'm waiting until they haven't discontinued this for, say 6 months, before wasting time evaluating it.

mh- 11mo ago
It's really impressive how much damage they've done to early adoption by earning themselves this reputation. I've even heard it in mainstream circles that have no idea what HN is, and aren't involved in tech. Probably would have been cheaper to keep Google Reader running - kidding, but this is the first time I remember the gut punch of Google cancelling something I heavily used personally.
- ianburrell 11mo ago
  Google is bad about maintenance. They have a bunch of projects that are not getting changes. They are also bad about strategy. Good example is the number of messaging systems that have had. Instead of making new ones, they should have updated existing one with new backend and UI. I like the Google Messages sync SMS online with Google Fi, but it is missing features. If they could do it globally, they would have something big.
KingMob 11mo ago
Generally a good idea with Google, but if the pace of model releases keeps up, nobody will be running 6-month-old models from anyone.

closewith 11mo ago

Yeah, it truly is an outstandingly bad UX. To use Gemini CLI as a business user like I would Codex or Claude Code, how much and how do I pay?

rafaquintanilha 11mo ago
You can install the Gemini CLI (https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli) but assign a "paid" API key to it (unless you pay for Gemini Ultra).
- closewith 11mo ago
  So where do I get a API key? Where do I sign up for Ultra?
  - int_19h 11mo ago
    For API key, go to https://aistudio.google.com/ https://aistudio.google.com/ and there's a link in the bottom left. But this is if you want to pay per token. Otherwise you should just be able to use your Gemini Pro subscription (it doesn't need Ultra). Subscriptions are at https://gemini.google/subscriptions/ https://gemini.google/subscriptions/
    - closewith 11mo ago
      Okay, thanks. Unfortunately, when I try to sign up to a plan on https://gemini.google/subscriptions/ https://gemini.google/subscriptions/, I am redirected to the Workspace Admin (as I'm a business user and One is only available to personal accounts), where I am offered Google Ultra AI for Business for €216 per month, but I can only upgrade the entire Workspace or nothing! Is that correct? I can't even upgrade a Group separately?

dktp 11mo ago

Google actually changed it somewhat recently (3 months ago, give or take) and you can use Gemini CLI with the "regular" Google AI Pro subscription (~22eur/month). Before that, it required a separate subscription I can't find the announcement anymore, but you can see it under benefits here https://support.google.com/googleone/answer/14534406?hl=en https://support.google.com/googleone/answer/14534406?hl=en The initial separate subscriptions were confusing at best. Current situation is pretty much same as Anthropic/OpenAI - straightforward Edit: changed ~1 month ago (https://old.reddit.com/r/Bard/comments/1npiv2o/google_ai_pro_and_ultra_subscribers_now_have/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Bard/comments/1npiv2o/google_ai_pro...)

mccoyb 11mo ago
I see -- but does this allow me to us the models within "Antigravity" with the same subscription? I poked around and couldn't figure this out.
- jstummbillig 11mo ago
  Might not be decided yet. The AG pricing page says: "Public preview Individual plan $0/month" "Coming soon Team plan"
- dktp 11mo ago
  I don't know either tbh. I wouldn't be surprised it the answer is no (and it will come later or something like that) I also tried to use Gemini 3 in my Gemini CLI and it's not available yet (it's available to all Ultra, but not all Pro subscribers), I needed to sign up to a waitlist All in all, Google is terrible at launching things like that in a concise and understandable way
  - cmrdporcupine 11mo ago
    Back in the early 00s having a 'waitlist' for gmail with invites was an exciting buzz-making marketing technique and justifiable technically. This is just irritating. I am not going to give them money until I know I can try their latest thing and they've made it hard for me to even know how I can do that.

mantenpanther 11mo ago

I am paying for AI ultra - no idea how to use it in the CLI. It says i dont‘t have access. The google admin/payment backend is pure evil. What a mess.

thelittleone 11mo ago
My test a few hours ago. Ultra plan got me ~20 minutes with Antigravity using Gemini 3 Pro (Low) before zero out.
- artdigital 11mo ago
  Getting only 20 minutes of usage with a $240/mo plan is a bit ridiculous. How much usage did you get on 2.5-pro? Is it comparable to Claude Max or ChatGPT Pro on the CLI? So a weekly limit but in reality very hard to hit and mostly 'unlimited' unless very heavy usage?

ur-whale 11mo ago

> I truly do not understand what plan to use so I can use this model for longer than ~2 minutes. I had the exact same experience and walked away to chatgpt. What a mess.