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The headline seems a bit weird, the article later on goes to acknowledge what Karp is actually fearing, namely fascism, which he sees as an existential threat t

The headline seems a bit weird, the article later on goes to acknowledge what Karp is actually fearing, namely fascism, which he sees as an existential threat to him personally. It also seems to be a bit weird to exclude his intellectual heritage, he got his PhD under Jürgen Habermas who is one of the best known anti fascist and pro liberal democracy scholars in Germany.

throwaway-11-1 11mo ago
yeah man he's so scared of fascism that he's leading the world in racist ai for drone striking civilians and imprisoning normal working people into concentration camps without a trial
- constantcrying 11mo ago
  Could you at least try to formulate that into an argument? Preferably you could address the justifications alluded to in the article and maybe try to frame that discussion in the context of Karps intellectual history.
  - freejazz 11mo ago
    Be generous. It's obviously an argument that Karp is a hypocrite. Would appreciate your actual response.
    - constantcrying 11mo ago
      Democratic regimes, in the name of anti fascism, have performed extremely gruesome acts and far more thoroughly violated the privacy of individuals. Karp obviously believes that the actions by palantir are necessary to safeguard liberal democracy as it has existed. Karp has obviously studied German democracy, which has a specific concept for this "wehrhafte Demokratie", meaning that democracies must defend themselves, with force if necessary.
      - freejazz 11mo ago
        > Karp obviously I'm not sure what's obvious about that. No less when his own self interest is in play.
        constantcrying 11mo ago
        Every single person has an internal narrative which justifies their own actions. Assuming that Karp doesn't is just totally bizarre and not an argument at all. "He just is evil and wants money", is not a coherent explanation of anybody. Hilariously this who thing was one of the central debates in Germany, which got significantly influenced by Habermas. If some people are "just evil", then National Socialism will just spontaneously come again and again, it is not a coherent theory of human behavior.
        freejazz 11mo ago
        > Every single person has an internal narrative which justifies their own actions. Assuming that Karp doesn't is just totally bizarre and not an argument at all. "He just is evil and wants money", is not a coherent explanation of anybody. What's bizarre is acting like there is not a huge profit motive here. You're the only one that offered the value judgment of "evil" so I don't think that's a fair response anyway. It's perfectly coherent otherwise. >Hilariously this who thing was one of the central debates in Germany, which got significantly influenced by Habermas. If some people are "just evil", then National Socialism will just spontaneously come again and again, it is not a coherent theory of human behavior. No one here said anything like that.
        constantcrying 11mo ago
        >No one here said anything like that. Exacz. Remember when I ask the other guy to make his argument explicit and you told me there was no need to. This is completely ridiculous. If Karp isn't evil for creating "racist AI", what else should I make of it. There is no actual argument to engage with, which is why I asked for it. >What's bizarre is acting like there is not a huge profit motive here. You're the only one that offered the value judgment of "evil" so I don't think that's a fair response anyway. It's perfectly coherent otherwise. You are completely disregarding what I said. Nobodies internal narrative is "I murder people to make money".
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throwaway-11-1 11mo ago

yeah man he's so scared of fascism that he's leading the world in racist ai for drone striking civilians and imprisoning normal working people into concentration camps without a trial

constantcrying 11mo ago
Could you at least try to formulate that into an argument? Preferably you could address the justifications alluded to in the article and maybe try to frame that discussion in the context of Karps intellectual history.
- freejazz 11mo ago
  Be generous. It's obviously an argument that Karp is a hypocrite. Would appreciate your actual response.
  - constantcrying 11mo ago
    Democratic regimes, in the name of anti fascism, have performed extremely gruesome acts and far more thoroughly violated the privacy of individuals. Karp obviously believes that the actions by palantir are necessary to safeguard liberal democracy as it has existed. Karp has obviously studied German democracy, which has a specific concept for this "wehrhafte Demokratie", meaning that democracies must defend themselves, with force if necessary.
    - freejazz 11mo ago
      > Karp obviously I'm not sure what's obvious about that. No less when his own self interest is in play.
      - constantcrying 11mo ago
        Every single person has an internal narrative which justifies their own actions. Assuming that Karp doesn't is just totally bizarre and not an argument at all. "He just is evil and wants money", is not a coherent explanation of anybody. Hilariously this who thing was one of the central debates in Germany, which got significantly influenced by Habermas. If some people are "just evil", then National Socialism will just spontaneously come again and again, it is not a coherent theory of human behavior.
        freejazz 11mo ago
        > Every single person has an internal narrative which justifies their own actions. Assuming that Karp doesn't is just totally bizarre and not an argument at all. "He just is evil and wants money", is not a coherent explanation of anybody. What's bizarre is acting like there is not a huge profit motive here. You're the only one that offered the value judgment of "evil" so I don't think that's a fair response anyway. It's perfectly coherent otherwise. >Hilariously this who thing was one of the central debates in Germany, which got significantly influenced by Habermas. If some people are "just evil", then National Socialism will just spontaneously come again and again, it is not a coherent theory of human behavior. No one here said anything like that.
        constantcrying 11mo ago
        >No one here said anything like that. Exacz. Remember when I ask the other guy to make his argument explicit and you told me there was no need to. This is completely ridiculous. If Karp isn't evil for creating "racist AI", what else should I make of it. There is no actual argument to engage with, which is why I asked for it. >What's bizarre is acting like there is not a huge profit motive here. You're the only one that offered the value judgment of "evil" so I don't think that's a fair response anyway. It's perfectly coherent otherwise. You are completely disregarding what I said. Nobodies internal narrative is "I murder people to make money".

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