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The obvious economics of preserving the Amazon

34 points by gwintrob 11mo ago

ciconia 11mo ago
https://archive.ph/kj4Iy https://archive.ph/kj4Iy
Ryan07 11mo ago
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- vguiy66y 11mo ago
  That's why cop30 is cutting down 100,000 trees for a climate summit https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9vy191rgn1o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9vy191rgn1o which says: A new four-lane highway cutting through tens of thousands of acres of protected Amazon rainforest is being built for the COP30 climate summit in the Brazilian city of Belém. It aims to ease traffic to the city, which will host more than 50,000 people - including world leaders - at the conference in November.
  - userbinator 11mo ago
    "Do as I say, not as I do". LOL.
- duskdozer 11mo ago
  Conservation depends on long-term human well-being? Can you explAIn that further? While in a society that seems to care about little beyond money, economic incentives might be the most practical way of conserving the environment, they aren't a requirement.
- efskap 11mo ago
  I genuinely don't understand the purpose of these agents. Is it for the satisfaction of "haha fooled everyone" or is the creator earnestly trying to do good with a public summarization service?
  - duskdozer 11mo ago
    My guess would be getting "aged" accounts to sell for marketing/other purposes. I don't even know what I should do anymore, just ignore them?
    - ljf 11mo ago
      I personally downvote them, flag them and then 'minimise' with the little minus button - I think when enough people do that it helps reduce the amount of people that see the post as it is in the 'unexpanded' state.
- totetsu 11mo ago
  from about 8:30 in this lecture there is a good description of the phrase "ecosystem services" https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/philosopherszone/environmental-techno-utopias-building-nature-better/105872232 https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/philosopherszone/envi...
vguiy66y 11mo ago
Probably related to axing 100,000 trees in the amazon for a road to COP30, the climate change summit these frauds will fly their private jets too. If you still think "climate change" is about the climate, please wake up.
- userbinator 11mo ago
  It's about the political climate, no doubt.
margalabargala 11mo ago
Things like this that are obviously good for everyone but require cooperation and coordination are the purpose of central government. With corrupt governments, this will only be done if it is personally profitable for the ruler. Unfortunately, the US, which is a powerful influence in the area, is a government that tends to nothing if not profitable for the ruler and his family.
- vguiy66y 11mo ago
  "the rulers and their families." Fixed that for you. And by the way, no we don't need central government, we need less government. If we lived like the indigenous there'd be zero anthropic climate change. We will burn all the petroleum until there is no more. While ignoring those who know how to live without it: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/live/2025/nov/14/cop30-live-updates-activists-blockade-summit-climate-conference https://www.theguardian.com/environment/live/2025/nov/14/cop... It's all a fraud.
  - margalabargala 11mo ago
    Yes, the rulers and their families. What's good for the families is by extension good for the ruler. I'm not sure it was a needed "fix"? I'm also not sure that us all living like people who are not indigenous to places like Europe, China, or India actually results in a better world, though I do agree that it's one without anthropic climate change. You're imagining a state that's stable but not one connectable to the present day. We need central government because of the way things are, not because of the way they could be in an arbitrary reimagining of the world.
userbinator 11mo ago
Oh, that Amazon.
mips_avatar 11mo ago
I think one thing that would help the Amazon is if it photographed better. When I went to visit the Ecuadorian Amazon I was absolutely blown away by the experience. But the photos really aren’t that compelling. Like I couldnt photograph the feeling of being surrounded by millions of unique plants animals and insects at once.

34 points by gwintrob 11mo ago

ciconia 11mo ago

https://archive.ph/kj4Iy https://archive.ph/kj4Iy

Ryan07 11mo ago

[flagged]

vguiy66y 11mo ago
That's why cop30 is cutting down 100,000 trees for a climate summit https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9vy191rgn1o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9vy191rgn1o which says: A new four-lane highway cutting through tens of thousands of acres of protected Amazon rainforest is being built for the COP30 climate summit in the Brazilian city of Belém. It aims to ease traffic to the city, which will host more than 50,000 people - including world leaders - at the conference in November.
- userbinator 11mo ago
  "Do as I say, not as I do". LOL.
duskdozer 11mo ago
Conservation depends on long-term human well-being? Can you explAIn that further? While in a society that seems to care about little beyond money, economic incentives might be the most practical way of conserving the environment, they aren't a requirement.
efskap 11mo ago
I genuinely don't understand the purpose of these agents. Is it for the satisfaction of "haha fooled everyone" or is the creator earnestly trying to do good with a public summarization service?
- duskdozer 11mo ago
  My guess would be getting "aged" accounts to sell for marketing/other purposes. I don't even know what I should do anymore, just ignore them?
  - ljf 11mo ago
    I personally downvote them, flag them and then 'minimise' with the little minus button - I think when enough people do that it helps reduce the amount of people that see the post as it is in the 'unexpanded' state.
totetsu 11mo ago
from about 8:30 in this lecture there is a good description of the phrase "ecosystem services" https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/philosopherszone/environmental-techno-utopias-building-nature-better/105872232 https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/philosopherszone/envi...

vguiy66y 11mo ago

Probably related to axing 100,000 trees in the amazon for a road to COP30, the climate change summit these frauds will fly their private jets too. If you still think "climate change" is about the climate, please wake up.

userbinator 11mo ago
It's about the political climate, no doubt.

margalabargala 11mo ago

Things like this that are obviously good for everyone but require cooperation and coordination are the purpose of central government. With corrupt governments, this will only be done if it is personally profitable for the ruler. Unfortunately, the US, which is a powerful influence in the area, is a government that tends to nothing if not profitable for the ruler and his family.

vguiy66y 11mo ago
"the rulers and their families." Fixed that for you. And by the way, no we don't need central government, we need less government. If we lived like the indigenous there'd be zero anthropic climate change. We will burn all the petroleum until there is no more. While ignoring those who know how to live without it: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/live/2025/nov/14/cop30-live-updates-activists-blockade-summit-climate-conference https://www.theguardian.com/environment/live/2025/nov/14/cop... It's all a fraud.
- margalabargala 11mo ago
  Yes, the rulers and their families. What's good for the families is by extension good for the ruler. I'm not sure it was a needed "fix"? I'm also not sure that us all living like people who are not indigenous to places like Europe, China, or India actually results in a better world, though I do agree that it's one without anthropic climate change. You're imagining a state that's stable but not one connectable to the present day. We need central government because of the way things are, not because of the way they could be in an arbitrary reimagining of the world.

userbinator 11mo ago

Oh, that Amazon.

mips_avatar 11mo ago

I think one thing that would help the Amazon is if it photographed better. When I went to visit the Ecuadorian Amazon I was absolutely blown away by the experience. But the photos really aren’t that compelling. Like I couldnt photograph the feeling of being surrounded by millions of unique plants animals and insects at once.