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do you really think for example America would allow say Chinese prosecutors to arrest Americans on American soil and take them abroad to sentence them in a cour

do you really think for example America would allow say Chinese prosecutors to arrest Americans on American soil and take them abroad to sentence them in a court that America has no influence over and then throw them in a prison which America doesn’t control?

Aachen 1y ago
When the deed is illegal in both places, they can be tried under either jurisdiction and convicted instead of continuing to roam free and fuck up the open web for everyone else. Yes I do think we'd want that Borders currently get in the way but we needn't have law enforcement on foreign soil to solve that. Exchanging information and reliably acting upon it could be all these agencies need to do in their respective countries. When this proves effective aside from crime states that have no interest in upholding even their own laws (since dual illegality would probably be a prerequisite for any of this), they may eventually find themselves increasingly cut off and distrusted until they, too, cooperate or self-isolate like NK
- anonym29 1y ago
  Bad news, implied criticism of CCP policy (by acknowledging you'd change it) is an imprisonable offense. You're under arrest for violating the laws of China. You are not granted a trial. A joint unit comprised of the Ministry of State Security and the FBI will be at your house to pick you up and fly you to a Chinese black site tomorrow morning.
  - fragmede 1y ago
    That’s the cartoon version of China you’ve been trained to believe. I’m talking about dual illegality and cooperation between states. You’re talking about a fantasy mashup of MSS and FBI black sites. Not the same thing.
- victorbjorklund 11mo ago
  you really think that U.S. would hand over U.S. citizens to, say, Venezuela for crimes that are illegal in both U.S. and Venezuela?
rasz 1y ago
>America would allow say Chinese for at least 6 months https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c785n9pexjpo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c785n9pexjpo https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/new-york-resident-pleads-guilty-operating-secret-police-station-chinese-government-lower https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/new-york-resident-pl...
- victorbjorklund 11mo ago
  it was secret because it was not allowed.

Aachen 1y ago

When the deed is illegal in both places, they can be tried under either jurisdiction and convicted instead of continuing to roam free and fuck up the open web for everyone else. Yes I do think we'd want that Borders currently get in the way but we needn't have law enforcement on foreign soil to solve that. Exchanging information and reliably acting upon it could be all these agencies need to do in their respective countries. When this proves effective aside from crime states that have no interest in upholding even their own laws (since dual illegality would probably be a prerequisite for any of this), they may eventually find themselves increasingly cut off and distrusted until they, too, cooperate or self-isolate like NK

anonym29 1y ago
Bad news, implied criticism of CCP policy (by acknowledging you'd change it) is an imprisonable offense. You're under arrest for violating the laws of China. You are not granted a trial. A joint unit comprised of the Ministry of State Security and the FBI will be at your house to pick you up and fly you to a Chinese black site tomorrow morning.
- fragmede 1y ago
  That’s the cartoon version of China you’ve been trained to believe. I’m talking about dual illegality and cooperation between states. You’re talking about a fantasy mashup of MSS and FBI black sites. Not the same thing.
victorbjorklund 11mo ago
you really think that U.S. would hand over U.S. citizens to, say, Venezuela for crimes that are illegal in both U.S. and Venezuela?

rasz 1y ago

>America would allow say Chinese for at least 6 months https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c785n9pexjpo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c785n9pexjpo https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/new-york-resident-pleads-guilty-operating-secret-police-station-chinese-government-lower https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/new-york-resident-pl...

victorbjorklund 11mo ago
it was secret because it was not allowed.