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This is what I don't get >The Aisuru DDoS botnet operates as a DDoS-for-hire service with restricted clientele; operators have reportedly implemented preventiv
by haunter 1y ago
This is what I don't get
>The Aisuru DDoS botnet operates as a DDoS-for-hire service with restricted clientele; operators have reportedly implemented preventive measures to avoid attacking governmental, law enforcement, military, and other national security properties. Most observed Aisuru attacks to date appear to be related to online gaming.
https://www.netscout.com/blog/asert/asert-threat-summary-aisuru-and-related-turbomirai-botnet-ddos https://www.netscout.com/blog/asert/asert-threat-summary-ais...
So why? Like why would someone pay to take a game down? I see this all over reddit with different games but I just don't get the point. What's the benefit of taking down an online game for a couple of hours.
- begueradj 11mo agoYou are questioning the human nature.
- denkmoon 1y agoMad salt. Imagine a fully grown man having a toddler tantrum. "If I can't play/win/get my way, nobody can" type mentality. It's also a method of coercion. Give me mod status or I'll DDOS your server and destroy your community. The other half comes from sever operators ddosing their competition. There is a lot of money to be made from paid cosmetics, ranks, moderator (demi-tyrant) status, etc on custom servers.
- sabatonfan 1y agoWhat you are saying fits perfectly well in minecraft communities. Are you mentioning the minecraft community by your message or any other gaming communities too
- rasz 11mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirai_(malware) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirai_(malware) came from Minecraft community.
- alickz 1y ago>There is a lot of money to be made from paid cosmetics, ranks, moderator (demi-tyrant) status, etc on custom servers. Anyone have any idea how much a 15 Tbps DDoS attack would cost? Thousands of dollars? Tens of thousands?
- asciii 1y agoI'm wagering something cheap for individual with a lot of bitcoin or crypto laying around
- hansvm 1y agoBallpark math says you could sustain it for half an hour on Hetzner for $5k-$6k (only from 1500 IPs though), at least if your account didn't get banned first and you're halfway decent at network programming. I have no idea what a proper botnet like this costs though or how large the profit margins are.
- anamexis 1y agoIsn't the idea behind botnets that no one is paying for the bandwidth, besides the unsuspecting random people who have fallen victim to malware? I'd imagine the pricing is quite disconnected from the price of "legitimate" bandwidth. But I don't know in what direction.
- ocdtrekkie 1y agoYeah I assume there's the initial startup cost of successfully managing to infect a large network of devices, and then the cost for any given use is likely "what customers will pay for it". If they are selecting out big money targets and focusing on gaming, I'm guessing the price isn't that high, but they also presumably know interesting a state actor in taking them down either by changing targets or bringing in enough money is bad for business.
- lukan 11mo agoThe idea is, the botnets are in control of someone else. Who "owns" them. And some of those will rent "their property" for money, like they would legitimately own them.
- redwall_hp 1y ago"Game servers" also doesn't just mean Timmy's Minecraft server. It's big commercial games. Final Fantasy XIV keeps getting hammered, likely Aisuru, off and on since at least September. https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/detail/6b5681419698ca0fb33accabf43a899c13c73192 https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/detail/6b56814...
- hx8 1y agoFor some scale, Final Fantasy XIV makes about $65 million in annual revenue (and decreasing).
- UnlockedSecrets 1y agoAccording to their latest financial earnings on page 11 of https://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ir/library/pdf/25q4slides.pdf https://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ir/library/pdf/25q4slides... they made 55.5 billion yen or about $357 million. So quite a bit more revenue than $65 million
- baxtr 1y agoGames continue beyond the Games themselves...
- brunoarueira 11mo agoOn my childhood I had a colleague were when him lose a match against me or my brother, him got mad and fire the joystick to the ground.
- JTbane 11mo agoAlso just peacocking, being that skid on the forums that took down PlayStation on Christmas will get you cred.
- duxup 11mo agoWhen I moderated a busy gaming forum long ago my most horrifying discovery was how many users I thought were children ... were very much "adults" by age.
- manquer 1y agoProbably it has to do with all the gambling sites associated with gaming not the games itself. Taking a competitor offline for a few hours is a lot of money in a market business I expect. there seems to be lot of weird stuff going on with gaming casinos the recent CoffeeZilla episode comes to mind, so wouldn’t be surprised if botnets are used
- iknowstuff 1y agoThey get banned for trolling, griefing, cheating, breaking rules etc. and want revenge. Every game operator has to deal with idiots like this
- AmbroseBierce 1y ago[flagged]
- iknowstuff 1y agoyeah bud if the person ends up ddosing I'm 100% certain their ban was justified lol
- AmbroseBierce 1y ago[flagged]
- iknowstuff 1y agoyes I've banned countless such assholes
- water-your-self 1y agoAt the end of the day, at least for silly private servers, you are always welcome to build it yourself. Theres much to learn in doing that.
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- bstsb 1y agothe ddos market has been somewhat centered around gaming for a while now, mainly to take down game server competition, or as an attempt to sell big players on "ddos protection" services. well, gaming and Krebs's blog: https://krebsonsecurity.com/2025/05/krebsonsecurity-hit-with-near-record-6-3-tbps-ddos/ https://krebsonsecurity.com/2025/05/krebsonsecurity-hit-with...
- jsheard 1y agoYep, Minecraft servers get DDoSed so often that Cloudflare actually offers turnkey protection for them specifically. https://www.cloudflare.com/en-gb/application-services/products/cloudflare-spectrum/minecraft/ https://www.cloudflare.com/en-gb/application-services/produc...
- razakel 11mo ago$1 per gig overage? I'd be using someone else's credit card for that...
- kachapopopow 11mo agoduring release one of the servers peaked at around 8gbps which is around 1000MiB/s which is $1/s which comes out to a - spits out coffee - 2.6million a month, seems perfectly reasonable?
- Onawa 1y agoIt depends on the game, but for those with some kind of marketplace or transferable currency, I'm guessing market manipulation is one possible reason. For other games, maybe trying to interrupt some time limited event or tournament. Going all the way down the rabbit hole, if you're not already familiar take a look at how crazy things get in a game like EVE: Online. Then of course there are the bored trolls and/or people who feel wronged by the game's developers or other players.
- zaphirplane 1y agoDepends on How much does it cost to hire it
- hobs 1y agoMost of the time its just blackmail/extortion - pay us or we do the thing.
- ddtaylor 1y ago> So why? Like why would someone pay to take a game down? I see this all over reddit with different games but I just don't get the point. What's the benefit of taking down an online game for a couple of hours. Most of the time crime groups are running extortion campaigns, amplification campaigns, etc. For example, if a competitor can benefit from them being down you may be able to sell that. Eventually we will probably see the invention of crowd-funded randsomware, where everyone must submit one verification can of crypto to unlock the hacked game servers.
- Hnrobert42 1y agoExtortion. You got a nice little game server there. Would be a shame if anything happened to it.
- diath 1y agoI'm not sure why you're being downvoted, this is literally what keeps happening to me. I run a couple private MMO servers, I regularly get hit with DDoS attacks and clowns like this guy DMing me to demand money to stop attacking my servers: https://abyss.diath.net/img/20251118055501688.png https://abyss.diath.net/img/20251118055501688.png
- giancarlostoro 1y agoUh I used to get DDoSed by “booter” services whenever I would login to one of my Skype accounts. The script kiddie scene is that petty. In the private server scene one guy would DDoS competing servers that way everyone would funnel to his own. Its just toxic behavior.
- Levitating 1y agoThe results are very public, it's the same way IRC is often targeted. They're easy targets, thousands of users are affected and the results are immediately noticeable.
- c420 1y agoI'm surprised no one has mentioned duping. Selling items and currency for real world money is big bucks and IME, server crashes reliably enable duping exploits. Not saying that's the case in this particular incident though.
- vl 1y agoWhat is even more interesting why attack Azure? It's not possible to extort anything from Microsoft, so what's the rationale?
- baby_souffle 1y agoMisdirection. If I knock _you_ offline, its not going to be that difficult for you to put together a probable suspects list with me on it. If it's going to cost me about the same in terms of resources to target you and a bunch of other people colocated with you, it's a bit less obvious who launched it and why.
- RajT88 1y ago> targeting a specific public IP address They weren't targeting Azure itself, per se, but some service which was hosted on Azure. The IP address in question wasn't mentioned, so we're left to speculate what this was about.
- fortran77 1y agoMicrosoft has succumbed to extortion recently.
- markdown 1y ago> It's not possible to extort anything from Microsoft lul wut? https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-white-house-ballroom-donors-list-apple-meta-amazon-microsoft-2025-10 https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-white-house-ballroom-d... https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/09/microsoft-contributes-1-million-to-trumps-inauguration-fund.html https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/09/microsoft-contributes-1-mill...
- adventured 1y agoIt's the exact opposite of extortion. They're thrilled to spend money to buy political favor whenever possible. It's not even a drop in the bucket. "Boeing, Microsoft and Amazon among big donors to Biden’s inauguration" https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/boeing-microsoft-and-amazon-among-big-donors-to-bidens-inauguration/ https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/boeing-mi...
- jay_kyburz 1y agoI've always imagined somebody will get pissed-off at me one day for banning them for bad behavior, or because I said something wrong online.
- ZeWaka 1y agoA game I work with got hit by ~10Tbps earlier this year. It's likely because someone got mad they were banned.
- neilv 1y agoA satisfying theory for a lot of DDoS would be extortion or protection rackets. Pay up or we will DDoS you, or pay up or 'someone else' will DDoS you. That's enough to explain it. But if you wanted to go more full shadowy conspiracy theory, someone arranged for a protection service that just so happens to work by giving some entity cleartext surveillance over much of the internet. Perhaps as a response to HTTPS everywhere being annoying. I'm not suggesting that's the situation, but that it's the kind of possibility to keep in mind, intellectually, and it would be consistent with history.
- DANmode 11mo agoI like the “some entity” bit.
- Andrex 1y agoGamers, am I right?
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- mattwad 1y agocompetitors might want to drive users to move away if they think a platform is broken
- wnevets 1y ago> So why? Like why would someone pay to take a game down? esports gambling is big business
- wnevets 1y ago> So why? Like why would someone pay to take a game down? esports gambling and winning tournaments is big business. > During the Fortnite Championship Series finals, a pair of pro players may have utilized denial of service attacks to disadvantage contesters [1] [1] https://fortnitetracker.com/article/1087/ddos-scandal-from-contesting-pros-arise-durin https://fortnitetracker.com/article/1087/ddos-scandal-from-c...
- arkh 11mo ago> What's the benefit of taking down an online game for a couple of hours. Competitive MMO. Imagine some event is setup to start at some time and your guild or alliance knows they're gonna lose it and the resource it gives: DDOS the server so it's down during the event so it does not run. Enjoy the fact you kept the asset linked to said event and sell the resources you get for real money. If you've never played those kind of games you cannot fathom how cutthroat they can become. I'm part of a guild which has a specific intelligence branch with spies embedded in many other guilds and that's playing nice because we're not selling anything.
- razakel 11mo agoEVE Online had to put their foot down when people were talking about what could easily be considered terrorism.
- littlestymaar 11mo agoPlease tell us more, I need to hear the story!
- razakel 11mo agoThe story goes that they were talking about figuring our where someone lived and cutting the power to their house so their ship would be defenceless. You might be taking a game a bit too seriously if the FBI show up to have a chat.
- Shocka1 11mo agoMy online gaming days are basically non-existent the last decade, but seeing stuff like this makes me want to make my comeback. The funny and bizarre stories I have from WoW...
- dahcryn 11mo agoSpeculation online as to the why in this case, it's pure advertisement of their capabilities.
- vintermann 11mo agoIt may be for market manipulation. It may be extortion against the owning company. It may even be to take down a rival online game for a while. I don't expect the big publisher games like PUBG to attack each other with DDoS attacks, but casino games? Or even sleazy Minecraft servers? I can totally see it.
- andrecarini 11mo agoYou have a Minecraft server. You generate money from it (selling VIP packages, et cetera). You could generate more money if you had more players. You can have more players if you consistently DDoS other more popular servers; the experience for these players will be horrible and they might give your server a chance.