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Wind and solar existed in the 70s as well. Plus, Germany invested 500 billion Euros in its energy transition and is STILL heavily dependent on coal.

by cbmuser 11mo ago

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bronson 11mo ago
> Wind and solar existed in the 70s as well. Not really. Solar has gone down in price almost 500X since 1975. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/solar-pv-prices https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/solar-pv-prices Wind has gone down significantly too. https://docs.nrel.gov/docs/fy12osti/54526.pdf https://docs.nrel.gov/docs/fy12osti/54526.pdf Meanwhile, the graph for nuclear waste disposal is going rapidly in the opposite direction. https://www.ans.org/news/article-6587/us-spent-fuel-liability-jumps-to-445-billion/ https://www.ans.org/news/article-6587/us-spent-fuel-liabilit... http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2024/ph240/kendall1/ http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2024/ph240/kendall1/
dalyons 11mo ago
They’re at ~60% total power from renewables in 2025, and increasing every quarter. I’d say they’re doing pretty well! The coal is unfortunate, but was due to the Ukraine war and gas situation.
kragen 11mo ago
> Wind and solar existed in the 70s as well. This is basically nonsense to the extent that it is becoming difficult to extend the presumption of good faith to you. In the 70s solar panels cost US$25+ per peak watt, in 02021-adjusted dollars: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_energy#/media/File:Solar_PV_module_prices.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_energy#/media/File:Solar... Now they cost 5.9¢ per peak watt: https://www.solarserver.de/photovoltaik-preis-pv-modul-preisindex/ https://www.solarserver.de/photovoltaik-preis-pv-modul-preis... Installing a gigawatt of solar power generation capacity for US$25 billion is in no way comparable to installing a gigawatt of solar power generation capacity for US$59 million. Wind power has experienced a similar but less extreme cost decline.

Wind and solar existed in the 70s as well. Plus, Germany invested 500 billion Euros in its energy transition and is STILL heavily dependent on coal.

by cbmuser 11mo ago

Wind and solar existed in the 70s as well. Plus, Germany invested 500 billion Euros in its energy transition and is STILL heavily dependent on coal.

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bronson 11mo ago

> Wind and solar existed in the 70s as well. Not really. Solar has gone down in price almost 500X since 1975. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/solar-pv-prices https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/solar-pv-prices Wind has gone down significantly too. https://docs.nrel.gov/docs/fy12osti/54526.pdf https://docs.nrel.gov/docs/fy12osti/54526.pdf Meanwhile, the graph for nuclear waste disposal is going rapidly in the opposite direction. https://www.ans.org/news/article-6587/us-spent-fuel-liability-jumps-to-445-billion/ https://www.ans.org/news/article-6587/us-spent-fuel-liabilit... http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2024/ph240/kendall1/ http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2024/ph240/kendall1/

dalyons 11mo ago

They’re at ~60% total power from renewables in 2025, and increasing every quarter. I’d say they’re doing pretty well! The coal is unfortunate, but was due to the Ukraine war and gas situation.

kragen 11mo ago

> Wind and solar existed in the 70s as well. This is basically nonsense to the extent that it is becoming difficult to extend the presumption of good faith to you. In the 70s solar panels cost US$25+ per peak watt, in 02021-adjusted dollars: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_energy#/media/File:Solar_PV_module_prices.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_energy#/media/File:Solar... Now they cost 5.9¢ per peak watt: https://www.solarserver.de/photovoltaik-preis-pv-modul-preisindex/ https://www.solarserver.de/photovoltaik-preis-pv-modul-preis... Installing a gigawatt of solar power generation capacity for US$25 billion is in no way comparable to installing a gigawatt of solar power generation capacity for US$59 million. Wind power has experienced a similar but less extreme cost decline.