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reads quite like propaganda. no technical details, just "patriotic music" can defeat high tech weapons vibes. terrible boring article. "Bandera was a World War

by fcpk 11mo ago

reads quite like propaganda. no technical details, just "patriotic music" can defeat high tech weapons vibes. terrible boring article. "Bandera was a World War II Ukrainian insurgent" he is a very very controversial character[0] and that description is quite reducing. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera

renw0rp 11mo ago
I really hate to say it, but makes it feel like not everything that Putin said was a lie.
- Semaphor 11mo ago
  Duh? Ukraine is a big place for Nazis. Funnily enough, so is Russia (and if black metal is any indication, Finland). This is not exactly news. edit: I’d appreciate comments explaining why I’m wrong besides drive by downvotes.
  - udumblol 11mo ago
    [flagged]
    - nutjob2 11mo ago
      And your cure for this is mindless trolling?
- andrewflnr 11mo ago
  The best bullshit always has a little bit of truth mixed in. Still not a justification for invading, and still just a cover for his, and Russia's overall, imperialistic ambition.
  - udumblol 11mo ago
    [flagged]
    - afavour 11mo ago
      You don't think it's important to factor in what the Ukrainian citizens themselves want?
      - udumblol 11mo ago
        I know of Ukrainian anarchists who were fighting but then became very disillusioned with how the war was going and left. I’ve met plenty of young Ukrainians who also left because they didn’t want to die. If all Ukrainians wanted to fight in this war why are so many paying bribes so that they don’t have to go fight? Why do they pay bribes so that they don’t get sent on suicide missions. I assume that the average person just wants to live their life in peace. If war got the popular vote there would be no more or far fewer wars. I hate all these power hungry psychos like Victoria Neuland and Putin who helped manufacture this civil war just so that they could get a little cut of the bounty. How people still believe capitalists states work in their interest is beyond me. Hunter Biden was earning 100x what the average Ukrainian earned in consulting fees in Ukraine. The whole point of the Ukrainian state since the collapse of the the USSR has been to shovel money from the state into the hands of which ever elite currently controlled the country it’s irrelevant whether they were backed by the west or Russia.
        andrewflnr 11mo ago
        > because they didn’t want to die Kinda answered your own question there. Idealism only takes most people so far.
        udumblol 11mo ago
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        inglor_cz 11mo ago
        "I know of Ukrainian anarchists" Anarchists are a very tiny minority everywhere. It does not make sense to judge the entire country by them. "If all Ukrainians wanted to fight in this war" They don't, but neither do all Russians. Moscow is trying really hard to avoid general mobilization.
- inglor_cz 11mo ago
  Good propaganda does not work on "entirely lies". In order to be more believable, it contains some shreds of truth and also some omissions. Bandera was not a nice person, but neither were the Russian rulers whom the current Russian government lionizes as great people. As for Nazism in general, Wagner Group was founded by an actual Nazi. It all boils down to Lenin's "Who? Whom?"
  - drysine 11mo ago
    >Bandera was not a nice person Neither was Hitler
- 8note 11mo ago
  what specifically, though? Did Putin actually say it? Did Putin also say something contradictory to it? what about not-believing something from the Ukranian government makes Putin more trustworthy?
TurkishPoptart 11mo ago
This phrasing surprised me, too. Bandera certainly has a mixed legacy. The truth of the matter is that Stalin's brutality and evil was so bad that he forced western Ukrainian nationalists to collaborate with Nazi Germany (which of course was also brutal and evil, but also offered a semblance of hope for Ukrainians, like other ethnic minorities and partisans who were placed against gargantuan rocks and hard places during the height of the horrors of the 20th century, and perhaps world history).
- consumer451 11mo ago
  Hello, old-ish person born and living in Poland here. [0] I would just like to add some color to this topic. I know that Ukraine has a complicated history with our country. I also believe that Ukraine is currently fighting for freedom and democracy in Europe. Oddly enough, nothing better states my feelings than this Russian language music video, by a group who is now banned in Russia. IC3PEAK nailed it, and risked their lives in doing so. Please take less than three minutes to watch it with subs on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqohApD6Ng8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqohApD6Ng8 [1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac... [1] Previous discussion, possibly the most upvoted music video on this website: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40027113 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40027113
  - drysine 11mo ago
    >Ukraine is currently fighting for freedom and democracy in Europe But somehow their heroes wear Nazi's symbols[0]. [0] https://www.lemonde.fr/videos/video/2025/06/18/guerre-en-ukraine-au-sein-de-la-3e-brigade-d-assaut-ukrainienne-des-centaines-de-soldats-arborent-toujours-des-symboles-neonazis_6614140_1669088.html https://www.lemonde.fr/videos/video/2025/06/18/guerre-en-ukr...
    - maximinus_thrax 11mo ago
      You guys are the experts on this [1][2][3][4][5][6][7], so please educate us how it's possible. It's very well known fact that Russia was always friendly with the nazis. It all started with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac.... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Utkin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Utkin [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Managed_nationalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Managed_nationalism [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Imperial_Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Imperial_Movement [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryno-Skachevsky_gang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryno-Skachevsky_gang [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Organization_of_Russian_Nationalists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Organization_of_Russian... [7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group

by fcpk 11mo ago

renw0rp 11mo ago

I really hate to say it, but makes it feel like not everything that Putin said was a lie.

Semaphor 11mo ago
Duh? Ukraine is a big place for Nazis. Funnily enough, so is Russia (and if black metal is any indication, Finland). This is not exactly news. edit: I’d appreciate comments explaining why I’m wrong besides drive by downvotes.
- udumblol 11mo ago
  [flagged]
  - nutjob2 11mo ago
    And your cure for this is mindless trolling?
andrewflnr 11mo ago
The best bullshit always has a little bit of truth mixed in. Still not a justification for invading, and still just a cover for his, and Russia's overall, imperialistic ambition.
- udumblol 11mo ago
  [flagged]
  - afavour 11mo ago
    You don't think it's important to factor in what the Ukrainian citizens themselves want?
    - udumblol 11mo ago
      I know of Ukrainian anarchists who were fighting but then became very disillusioned with how the war was going and left. I’ve met plenty of young Ukrainians who also left because they didn’t want to die. If all Ukrainians wanted to fight in this war why are so many paying bribes so that they don’t have to go fight? Why do they pay bribes so that they don’t get sent on suicide missions. I assume that the average person just wants to live their life in peace. If war got the popular vote there would be no more or far fewer wars. I hate all these power hungry psychos like Victoria Neuland and Putin who helped manufacture this civil war just so that they could get a little cut of the bounty. How people still believe capitalists states work in their interest is beyond me. Hunter Biden was earning 100x what the average Ukrainian earned in consulting fees in Ukraine. The whole point of the Ukrainian state since the collapse of the the USSR has been to shovel money from the state into the hands of which ever elite currently controlled the country it’s irrelevant whether they were backed by the west or Russia.
      - andrewflnr 11mo ago
        > because they didn’t want to die Kinda answered your own question there. Idealism only takes most people so far.
        udumblol 11mo ago
        [dead]
      - inglor_cz 11mo ago
        "I know of Ukrainian anarchists" Anarchists are a very tiny minority everywhere. It does not make sense to judge the entire country by them. "If all Ukrainians wanted to fight in this war" They don't, but neither do all Russians. Moscow is trying really hard to avoid general mobilization.
inglor_cz 11mo ago
Good propaganda does not work on "entirely lies". In order to be more believable, it contains some shreds of truth and also some omissions. Bandera was not a nice person, but neither were the Russian rulers whom the current Russian government lionizes as great people. As for Nazism in general, Wagner Group was founded by an actual Nazi. It all boils down to Lenin's "Who? Whom?"
- drysine 11mo ago
  >Bandera was not a nice person Neither was Hitler
8note 11mo ago
what specifically, though? Did Putin actually say it? Did Putin also say something contradictory to it? what about not-believing something from the Ukranian government makes Putin more trustworthy?

TurkishPoptart 11mo ago

This phrasing surprised me, too. Bandera certainly has a mixed legacy. The truth of the matter is that Stalin's brutality and evil was so bad that he forced western Ukrainian nationalists to collaborate with Nazi Germany (which of course was also brutal and evil, but also offered a semblance of hope for Ukrainians, like other ethnic minorities and partisans who were placed against gargantuan rocks and hard places during the height of the horrors of the 20th century, and perhaps world history).

consumer451 11mo ago
Hello, old-ish person born and living in Poland here. [0] I would just like to add some color to this topic. I know that Ukraine has a complicated history with our country. I also believe that Ukraine is currently fighting for freedom and democracy in Europe. Oddly enough, nothing better states my feelings than this Russian language music video, by a group who is now banned in Russia. IC3PEAK nailed it, and risked their lives in doing so. Please take less than three minutes to watch it with subs on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqohApD6Ng8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqohApD6Ng8 [1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac... [1] Previous discussion, possibly the most upvoted music video on this website: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40027113 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40027113
- drysine 11mo ago
  >Ukraine is currently fighting for freedom and democracy in Europe But somehow their heroes wear Nazi's symbols[0]. [0] https://www.lemonde.fr/videos/video/2025/06/18/guerre-en-ukraine-au-sein-de-la-3e-brigade-d-assaut-ukrainienne-des-centaines-de-soldats-arborent-toujours-des-symboles-neonazis_6614140_1669088.html https://www.lemonde.fr/videos/video/2025/06/18/guerre-en-ukr...
  - maximinus_thrax 11mo ago
    You guys are the experts on this [1][2][3][4][5][6][7], so please educate us how it's possible. It's very well known fact that Russia was always friendly with the nazis. It all started with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac.... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Utkin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Utkin [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Managed_nationalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Managed_nationalism [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Imperial_Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Imperial_Movement [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryno-Skachevsky_gang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryno-Skachevsky_gang [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Organization_of_Russian_Nationalists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Organization_of_Russian... [7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group