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Zelenskiy says Ukraine will obtain 100 Rafale warplanes from France

23 points by doener 1y ago

evanjrowley 1y ago
I wonder if they considered SAAB's Gripen[0]. Thailand recently ordered some[1] as tensions with Cambodia have reached concerning levels[2]. Both Thailand and Ukraine need to project the image of themselves being the victim of opression. In the context of the Ukraine War, the purchase of a founding NATO member's aircraft carries a political risk. Until recently, Sweden carried a historical reputation for neutrality[3] that might have benefited Ukraine here - unless Ukraine really is a NATO/Russian proxy battleground. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen [1] https://www.saab.com/newsroom/press-releases/2025/saab-receives-gripen-ef-order-for-thailand https://www.saab.com/newsroom/press-releases/2025/saab-recei... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Cambodian%E2%80%93Thai_border_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Cambodian%E2%80%93Thai_bo... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_neutrality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_neutrality
- s1mplicissimus 1y ago
  > unless Ukraine really is a NATO/Russian proxy battleground is there a good reason to believe otherwise?
  - evanjrowley 1y ago
    I probably should have placed an "/s" after that sentence.
    - s1mplicissimus 1y ago
      ah, thanks for the clarification. It's hard sometimes to read the irony out of a text by someone unknown. cheers
- LeoWattenberg 1y ago
  They also want 150 Gripen E: https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/ukraines-zelenskiy-visit-sweden-wednesday-defence-talks-2025-10-22/ https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/ukraines-...
- nradov 1y ago
  Of course the war between Ukraine and Russia is partly a NATO proxy war. Every NATO member should be using this as an opportunity to eliminate Russia as a future threat by wrecking their economy and killing as many Russians as possible. And also helping Ukraine as the victim of an unprovoked invasion is the right thing to do. Who cares about neutrality, at this point it's totally irrelevant.
  - hsyehbeidhh 1y ago
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- general1465 1y ago
  > NATO/Russian proxy battleground. It is actually NATO / North Korea + Iran + China proxy war. By using your logic.
oldpersonintx2 1y ago
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shadyKeystrokes 1y ago
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23 points by doener 1y ago

I wonder if they considered SAAB's Gripen[0]. Thailand recently ordered some[1] as tensions with Cambodia have reached concerning levels[2]. Both Thailand and Ukraine need to project the image of themselves being the victim of opression. In the context of the Ukraine War, the purchase of a founding NATO member's aircraft carries a political risk. Until recently, Sweden carried a historical reputation for neutrality[3] that might have benefited Ukraine here - unless Ukraine really is a NATO/Russian proxy battleground. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen [1] https://www.saab.com/newsroom/press-releases/2025/saab-receives-gripen-ef-order-for-thailand https://www.saab.com/newsroom/press-releases/2025/saab-recei... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Cambodian%E2%80%93Thai_border_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Cambodian%E2%80%93Thai_bo... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_neutrality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_neutrality

s1mplicissimus 1y ago
> unless Ukraine really is a NATO/Russian proxy battleground is there a good reason to believe otherwise?
- evanjrowley 1y ago
  I probably should have placed an "/s" after that sentence.
  - s1mplicissimus 1y ago
    ah, thanks for the clarification. It's hard sometimes to read the irony out of a text by someone unknown. cheers
LeoWattenberg 1y ago
They also want 150 Gripen E: https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/ukraines-zelenskiy-visit-sweden-wednesday-defence-talks-2025-10-22/ https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/ukraines-...
nradov 1y ago
Of course the war between Ukraine and Russia is partly a NATO proxy war. Every NATO member should be using this as an opportunity to eliminate Russia as a future threat by wrecking their economy and killing as many Russians as possible. And also helping Ukraine as the victim of an unprovoked invasion is the right thing to do. Who cares about neutrality, at this point it's totally irrelevant.
- hsyehbeidhh 1y ago
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general1465 1y ago
> NATO/Russian proxy battleground. It is actually NATO / North Korea + Iran + China proxy war. By using your logic.

oldpersonintx2 1y ago

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shadyKeystrokes 1y ago

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