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Russia's Kinzhal Missiles Are Too Fast to Shoot, So Ukraine Jams Them with Music
- pants2 1y agoSo the ending of Star Trek: Beyond wasn't so absurd after all
- fcpk 1y agoreads quite like propaganda. no technical details, just "patriotic music" can defeat high tech weapons vibes. terrible boring article. "Bandera was a World War II Ukrainian insurgent" he is a very very controversial character[0] and that description is quite reducing. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera
- renw0rp 1y agoI really hate to say it, but makes it feel like not everything that Putin said was a lie.
- Semaphor 1y agoDuh? Ukraine is a big place for Nazis. Funnily enough, so is Russia (and if black metal is any indication, Finland). This is not exactly news. edit: I’d appreciate comments explaining why I’m wrong besides drive by downvotes.
- andrewflnr 1y agoThe best bullshit always has a little bit of truth mixed in. Still not a justification for invading, and still just a cover for his, and Russia's overall, imperialistic ambition.
- udumblol 1y ago[flagged]
- afavour 1y agoYou don't think it's important to factor in what the Ukrainian citizens themselves want?
- udumblol 1y agoI know of Ukrainian anarchists who were fighting but then became very disillusioned with how the war was going and left. I’ve met plenty of young Ukrainians who also left because they didn’t want to die. If all Ukrainians wanted to fight in this war why are so many paying bribes so that they don’t have to go fight? Why do they pay bribes so that they don’t get sent on suicide missions. I assume that the average person just wants to live their life in peace. If war got the popular vote there would be no more or far fewer wars. I hate all these power hungry psychos like Victoria Neuland and Putin who helped manufacture this civil war just so that they could get a little cut of the bounty. How people still believe capitalists states work in their interest is beyond me. Hunter Biden was earning 100x what the average Ukrainian earned in consulting fees in Ukraine. The whole point of the Ukrainian state since the collapse of the the USSR has been to shovel money from the state into the hands of which ever elite currently controlled the country it’s irrelevant whether they were backed by the west or Russia.
- andrewflnr 1y ago> because they didn’t want to die Kinda answered your own question there. Idealism only takes most people so far.
- inglor_cz 1y agoGood propaganda does not work on "entirely lies". In order to be more believable, it contains some shreds of truth and also some omissions. Bandera was not a nice person, but neither were the Russian rulers whom the current Russian government lionizes as great people. As for Nazism in general, Wagner Group was founded by an actual Nazi. It all boils down to Lenin's "Who? Whom?"
- drysine 1y ago>Bandera was not a nice person Neither was Hitler
- 8note 1y agowhat specifically, though? Did Putin actually say it? Did Putin also say something contradictory to it? what about not-believing something from the Ukranian government makes Putin more trustworthy?
- TurkishPoptart 1y agoThis phrasing surprised me, too. Bandera certainly has a mixed legacy. The truth of the matter is that Stalin's brutality and evil was so bad that he forced western Ukrainian nationalists to collaborate with Nazi Germany (which of course was also brutal and evil, but also offered a semblance of hope for Ukrainians, like other ethnic minorities and partisans who were placed against gargantuan rocks and hard places during the height of the horrors of the 20th century, and perhaps world history).
- consumer451 1y agoHello, old-ish person born and living in Poland here. [0] I would just like to add some color to this topic. I know that Ukraine has a complicated history with our country. I also believe that Ukraine is currently fighting for freedom and democracy in Europe. Oddly enough, nothing better states my feelings than this Russian language music video, by a group who is now banned in Russia. IC3PEAK nailed it, and risked their lives in doing so. Please take less than three minutes to watch it with subs on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqohApD6Ng8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqohApD6Ng8 [1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac... [1] Previous discussion, possibly the most upvoted music video on this website: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40027113 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40027113
- drysine 1y ago>Ukraine is currently fighting for freedom and democracy in Europe But somehow their heroes wear Nazi's symbols[0]. [0] https://www.lemonde.fr/videos/video/2025/06/18/guerre-en-ukraine-au-sein-de-la-3e-brigade-d-assaut-ukrainienne-des-centaines-de-soldats-arborent-toujours-des-symboles-neonazis_6614140_1669088.html https://www.lemonde.fr/videos/video/2025/06/18/guerre-en-ukr...
- maximinus_thrax 1y agoYou guys are the experts on this [1][2][3][4][5][6][7], so please educate us how it's possible. It's very well known fact that Russia was always friendly with the nazis. It all started with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pac.... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Utkin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Utkin [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Managed_nationalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Managed_nationalism [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Imperial_Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Imperial_Movement [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryno-Skachevsky_gang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryno-Skachevsky_gang [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Organization_of_Russian_Nationalists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Organization_of_Russian... [7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group
- next_xibalba 1y agoSeems like a very bad idea to announce the capability and means for defeating an enemy weapon. Which makes me suspect this is misinformation or a psyop.
- udumblol 1y ago[flagged]
- TurkishPoptart 1y agoYour account was created half an hour ago with negative karma. Russian bot?
- neededanewid 1y agoMy posts on my old account were throttled because you know American venture capital loves freedom of speech but I’ll post this reply: How am I trolling? Is saying something you don’t want to hear trolling. My advice is get the fuck out there and organise talk to ordinary people spread anti war sentiment stop jerking off over war tech. We are all on the same planet which is being destroyed so a few people can enrich themselves and hopefully survive the climate catastrophe they know is coming. Jesus Christ the website is run by venture capitalist psychos why do you think anything here is being made for your benifit whatever I’m going to stop posting because after 10+ years of lurking on this website it’s kinda obvious what this platforms mission is, it’s to get young engineers to naively post shit so venture capital can swoop in and suck up all the talent. Imagine we actually built economies for people and not for power? What’s sad is that people like Havel actually envisioned stuff like this and they were crushed by the logic of neoliberal capital. If you seriously think that any „Russian bot“ posts shit like this then you need to get your head checked. I’m an activist who has been harassed and used by these people for years. The more people I can get fighting war and for environmental justice and an economy that serves the people and not the rich the better. Anyways even trying to talk to you arrogant morons who have never been involved in politics or know anything the better I’m abandoning this account like I do with most of them because this website is a neoliberal shithole. Enjoy simping for either the US imperial rapists or the Russian cleptocrartic cunts. I don’t give a fuck. I’m going to keep trying to tell the truth in the real world. By the way this website throttled my posts because apparently I’m posting to much even though it’s been 10 minutes between my last posts. If any one here had been an actual activist in the last 5 years they would know the extreme amount of repression that’s been going on against anti war activists whether it was against people who opposed the war in Ukraine or the genocide in Gaza. I’m on government watchlists because of this fucking shit. So whatever believe whatever you want I don’t care, I’m the one who has actually faced repression because I try to te the truth about the sick fucking capitalist world we live in. and enjoy your life because we all know climate change is getting worse and global fascism is on the rise and simping for various liberal governments isn’t the solution. I’m not some celebrity activist just some one who grew up in the international politics world and I know exactly how little shits most politicians on a grand international scale see human beings. We are numbers in their war calculations. Whatever I’m gone and I’m not going to post anymore, if you really think I’m a propaganda bot you are fucking funny. I wish there were more propaganda bots actually posting like I do. TLDR Organise in real life. Mutual aid housing projects community run banks etc that’s my cure. Power to the people, and resources owned by people and managed for people, that’s my cure. It’s just an idea atm and I how things like this get implemented lies up to us. Hacker news keeps saying I post to fast though even though it’s been half an hour between my last posts. I’m gonna apologise for any shitty grammar or spelling because I’m wasted and pissed off
- exabrial 1y ago[flagged]
- mamonster 1y agoThis is no longer true. The latest version of Kinzhal has maneuverability during the last section (and makes them much harder for Patriots to shoot down). This was done in 2025 and was(apparently) achieved via software modifications only.
- exabrial 1y agoI think you misread my comment. Maneuvering ballistic missiles are nothing new and have been around since the 70s.
- missedthecue 1y agoSo it's hypersonic and it's maneuverable? Which part of this is not a "true hypersonic"? The air breathing? Seems like we're splitting hairs just finely enough to say team red doesn't have the good stuff.
- exabrial 1y agoNot at all. I'm using industry standard definitions. To be clear, the US does not have an operational hypersonic either. A ballistic weapon follows a somewhat parabolic trajectory. It goes way up, often into outer space, then it falls down with enormous speed. A bunch of potential energy is built up in its boost phase, and released as kinetic energy in a much shorter dive, usually exceeding several times the speed of sound. A hypersonic weapon can travel at low altitudes in sustained flight in a non-parabolic flight path. That is the key differentiator. How you get there is up to you. To that end, that often implies other things. Lower altitudes often has stuff you have to go around: the earth itself (sea level), hills or mountains, buildings, observation posts, radars, or you might want it to take a particular approach path in general for geopolitical reasons and fly it in commercial airline flight paths or along borders. This often means a lot of power is required to sustain flight, so usually not carrying your oxidizer is handy.
- constantcrying 1y agoSeems completely made up. I am not an RF engineer, but why would the signal composition not matter? Intuitively this just seems false. Supposing you hade a piece of music with some silence in it, wouldn't this silence be interpreted by the RF equipment as EW silence as well? How exactly would the process even look like? You have a, presumably, very sophisticated EW setup, can you just upload mp3 files via Bluetooth, does it have a USB port or what? Why would the actual RF engineers building this go out of their way to enable crews to screw with the equipment like that. The whole things seems extremely implausible. Other sources report the same exact story as if it were an established fact, but I highly doubt that.
- egorfine 1y agoBallistic missile is flying in an intermittent cloud of plasma and cannot communicate or receive communication. Given that GNSS signals are very weak even a smallest plasma blocks them entirely. It has been circulated that Kinzhals can now maneuver a bit, just enough to avoid PATRIOT interceptors and it looks like it's true.