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The only reason Apple ditched Lightning port and finally gave USB-C port in the iDevices, is because EU forced Apple to do so. But do you think your oh-so-commo

by vee-kay 11mo ago

The only reason Apple ditched Lightning port and finally gave USB-C port in the iDevices, is because EU forced Apple to do so. But do you think your oh-so-common USB-C cables will work with a new iPhone? In my country (India), Apple still doesn't sell charger and cable along with its new iDevices, even though those gadgets are exorbitantly expensive. And Apple doesn't allow custom repair here, even though my country mandated the Right to Repair, like EU did so. My old Mac Mini 2012 is gathering dust in a cupboard, because Apple service center refused to upgrade it to new RAM and new SATA SSD, citing Apple policies.

ffsm8 11mo ago
Couldn't you just upgrade yourself in the pre Apple silicone days? Like within minutes, with no big changes? I didn't think it's rare that a company refuses to do any work on devices they no longer support. Their employees will no longer be trained to do this work, hence they'd have a nontrivial chance of causing damages. That's exactly why a right to repair is so important, so that other people can pick up their slack
- lloeki 11mo ago
  Back when RAM and HDD were using standard parts, Apple packaged manuals with documentation as to how to proceed to such upgrades.
monerozcash 11mo ago
>But do you think your oh-so-common USB-C cables will work with a new iPhone? They seem to work just fine, yeah.
- toyg 11mo ago
  "Seem". Until they don't. I've had multiple instances of Airpods stopping to connect with phones until I charged them at least once with original Apple cables. They might work fine for months, then stop ehaving unless connected through an all-Apple power pipeline (cable and charger). It's probably firmware updates requiring some sort of validation every now and then.
  - oofbey 11mo ago
    Sounds like you have a flaky / damaged device or bad cables. If there really was some kind of conspiratorial timer requiring you to use 1P cables it would certainly be documented. Can’t hide that stuff. Loads of people use Apple devices with 3P cables all the time and they work just fine, as long as the cables aren’t junk. There really are quality and capability differences in USB C cables. Just because it looks right and physically connects doesn’t mean it can electrically do all the things.
  - eigencoder 11mo ago
    I think this is a problem with USB-C. The cables all look the same, but they don't actually always work for every device, at least in my experience.
  - vee-kay 11mo ago
    I know that Apple MFI certified Lightning cables work well with iDevices, but I found that third-party non-MFI-certified Lightning cables to be finicky with iDevices. But I never faced such problem with USB cables for non-Apple devices (Android phones, cameras, etc.). Apple MFI certifies USB-C cables also, so I'm not sure if it is throttling its iDevices to be finicky with non-MFI USB-C cables. I know for a fact that Apple did software updates to older iPhones to make them sluggish and drain battery quickly. I realised this when I went to Apple Genius Bar to get my iPhone 7 Plus battery replaced after it started draining too quickly daily, but even with new battery same problem persisted. The friendly staff member unofficially told me it is because of the recent software updates by Apple for older iPhones, and advised not to hold out hope that any future software update will fix the problem. Even a year later, his warning remained true. I gave away the iPhone to my nephew as a backup device for his studies, but he sold it soon, as it was a nightmare to keep charging it frequently. Apple has faced multiple fines for deliberately slowing down older iPhones without informing users, including a €25 million fine in France and a $41 million fine for deceptive marketing practices. The company admitted to slowing down devices to prevent unexpected shutdowns due to aging batteries, but critics argued it was misleading. These days, I wouldn't trust Apple with a barge pole, let alone the money from my wallet.
    - 11mo ago
theodric 11mo ago
What? Upgrade it yourself! Swapping the RAM in a mini 2012 doesn't even require tools. Both SoDIMMs are right under the bottom cover. The SSD is a bit more fiddly, but can also be done at home. Check iFixit. https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mac+mini+Late+2012+Hard+Drive+Replacement/11716 https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mac+mini+Late+2012+Hard+Drive+R...
- vee-kay 11mo ago
  That iFixit guide to upgrade the Max Mini is daunting for newbies. But you've inspired me to gather courage and do the DIY upgrade myself next month during the holidays. No use having a working PC lying unused, merely because it is very sluggish due to old hardware. Wish me luck (for the upgrade), I think I'll need it.
  - kronks 11mo ago
    You’re just limiting yourself for no reason. It’s not Apples fault that you are sitting in front of an un-upgraded computer that is tool-less (for one of your tasks, at least) and has step by step instructions meant for beginners.
raw_anon_1111 11mo ago
The higher end iPads started coming with USB C long before the EU mandate
- monocasa 11mo ago
  That seemed like a product segmentation choice to encourage more laptop like use cases out of the higher end iPads. Less friction for devices like passkeys, external hard drives, etc. It doesn't seem like they were keen on moving that down the product line since they had to be dragged kicking and screaming to do so.
- extraduder_ire 11mo ago
  That was a much easier way to get usb3 on them than the special lightning port + cables they tried earlier.

by vee-kay 11mo ago

ffsm8 11mo ago

Couldn't you just upgrade yourself in the pre Apple silicone days? Like within minutes, with no big changes? I didn't think it's rare that a company refuses to do any work on devices they no longer support. Their employees will no longer be trained to do this work, hence they'd have a nontrivial chance of causing damages. That's exactly why a right to repair is so important, so that other people can pick up their slack

lloeki 11mo ago
Back when RAM and HDD were using standard parts, Apple packaged manuals with documentation as to how to proceed to such upgrades.

monerozcash 11mo ago

>But do you think your oh-so-common USB-C cables will work with a new iPhone? They seem to work just fine, yeah.

toyg 11mo ago
"Seem". Until they don't. I've had multiple instances of Airpods stopping to connect with phones until I charged them at least once with original Apple cables. They might work fine for months, then stop ehaving unless connected through an all-Apple power pipeline (cable and charger). It's probably firmware updates requiring some sort of validation every now and then.
- oofbey 11mo ago
  Sounds like you have a flaky / damaged device or bad cables. If there really was some kind of conspiratorial timer requiring you to use 1P cables it would certainly be documented. Can’t hide that stuff. Loads of people use Apple devices with 3P cables all the time and they work just fine, as long as the cables aren’t junk. There really are quality and capability differences in USB C cables. Just because it looks right and physically connects doesn’t mean it can electrically do all the things.
- eigencoder 11mo ago
  I think this is a problem with USB-C. The cables all look the same, but they don't actually always work for every device, at least in my experience.
- vee-kay 11mo ago
  I know that Apple MFI certified Lightning cables work well with iDevices, but I found that third-party non-MFI-certified Lightning cables to be finicky with iDevices. But I never faced such problem with USB cables for non-Apple devices (Android phones, cameras, etc.). Apple MFI certifies USB-C cables also, so I'm not sure if it is throttling its iDevices to be finicky with non-MFI USB-C cables. I know for a fact that Apple did software updates to older iPhones to make them sluggish and drain battery quickly. I realised this when I went to Apple Genius Bar to get my iPhone 7 Plus battery replaced after it started draining too quickly daily, but even with new battery same problem persisted. The friendly staff member unofficially told me it is because of the recent software updates by Apple for older iPhones, and advised not to hold out hope that any future software update will fix the problem. Even a year later, his warning remained true. I gave away the iPhone to my nephew as a backup device for his studies, but he sold it soon, as it was a nightmare to keep charging it frequently. Apple has faced multiple fines for deliberately slowing down older iPhones without informing users, including a €25 million fine in France and a $41 million fine for deceptive marketing practices. The company admitted to slowing down devices to prevent unexpected shutdowns due to aging batteries, but critics argued it was misleading. These days, I wouldn't trust Apple with a barge pole, let alone the money from my wallet.
  - 11mo ago

theodric 11mo ago

What? Upgrade it yourself! Swapping the RAM in a mini 2012 doesn't even require tools. Both SoDIMMs are right under the bottom cover. The SSD is a bit more fiddly, but can also be done at home. Check iFixit. https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mac+mini+Late+2012+Hard+Drive+Replacement/11716 https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Mac+mini+Late+2012+Hard+Drive+R...

vee-kay 11mo ago
That iFixit guide to upgrade the Max Mini is daunting for newbies. But you've inspired me to gather courage and do the DIY upgrade myself next month during the holidays. No use having a working PC lying unused, merely because it is very sluggish due to old hardware. Wish me luck (for the upgrade), I think I'll need it.
- kronks 11mo ago
  You’re just limiting yourself for no reason. It’s not Apples fault that you are sitting in front of an un-upgraded computer that is tool-less (for one of your tasks, at least) and has step by step instructions meant for beginners.

raw_anon_1111 11mo ago

The higher end iPads started coming with USB C long before the EU mandate

monocasa 11mo ago
That seemed like a product segmentation choice to encourage more laptop like use cases out of the higher end iPads. Less friction for devices like passkeys, external hard drives, etc. It doesn't seem like they were keen on moving that down the product line since they had to be dragged kicking and screaming to do so.
extraduder_ire 11mo ago
That was a much easier way to get usb3 on them than the special lightning port + cables they tried earlier.