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When the iPad 1 launched in germany, i bought a 64GB model with 3G. I payed more than 800 Euros. And now Apple tells me "it's to old, go and sell it on eBay for

by axx 14y ago

When the iPad 1 launched in germany, i bought a 64GB model with 3G. I payed more than 800 Euros. And now Apple tells me "it's to old, go and sell it on eBay for 150 bucks". Are you fucking kidding me? I'm a Apple user for ages, i have two Mac Pros, three MacBook Pros (family), one MacBook Air and all iPhones that Apple ever made. I sold every old piece of hardware or replaced it when i needed a faster or newer model. But THIS is fucking sick. Android is rising and in 6-12 month it will be even better. If Apple continues to ship crap like Siri and iOS6 Maps with all this false marketing Apple has a dark future ahead! I bought a Nexus 7 a few weeks ago and it cost me 200 euro. It can do nearly the same as any iPad (i use it for - yes, instapaper, email, youtube and general media consumption). Sure, there are not as many Apps as in Apples App Store, but this is going to change. To be said: i will never buy any iPad again. Sorry iPad, but i'm with Android now! EDIT: As some sub-commenters said/ask: I'm not 100% sure what happens when i have old App versions (compatible with my iPad 1) and i need to reinstall iOS and all my Apps (for whatever reason- maybe a crash or anything else), which App Version do i get? The latest? Or the latest one that is compatible with my iPad 1? Since many App developers are very happy to drop support for older iOS versions (which is fine - make better software!) i think it's time for Apple to provide some backwards support for older devices. Some mechanic for developers to freeze certain App Versions especially for older devices. It's not like we're talking about ancient technology, that thing isn't even 2 years old.

upinsmoke 14y ago
So you are saying iOS 6 sucks, yet you complain you can't install iOS 6 on iPad 1? Why not just stay on iOS 5? It works great and almost all the apps work on it.
sxcurry 14y ago
Funny, I have the original iPad as well, but I haven't yet gotten the official message from Apple to sell it on eBay. Maybe they're sending them to Europe first? Also, the strange thing is that it still runs as well as the day I bought it, and still does everything it did from Day 1, as well as new things that came with updates to iOS. I forget, why am I supposed to be angry at Apple?
- danso 14y ago
  I think the problems arise when app devs have to jump through an increasing number of hoops to maintain backwards comparability...which I'm sure is additionally aggravating because, as you say, the iPad appears "to do everything it did from Day 1" Of course, the comparability game is nothing new. The problem is that as an iOS user, you haven't choice to upgrade to the latesst compatible version of an app. You only have the choice to install thhe most recent version of the app. Or at least this is what I understand is a barrier for both devs and users. At least with PCs, devs had the option of providing 32 and 64 bit versions of their latest software
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- hermanhermitage 14y ago
  Still runs as well? I'd love to know what set up you've got. Since iOS 5 my iPad 1 has been utterly unusable - many multi second lags and endless application quits. Even brand new out of the box the iPad 1 and also the original iPhone were incredibly unstable - particularly in safari. Everyone turned a blind eye to it.
  - sxcurry 14y ago
    Mostly browsing (new Chrome works well), Netflix, LogMeIn Ignition for remote desktop, photo viewing, Skype. Compared to my new MacBook Air it does seems a little slow starting apps, etc, but the thing is almost 2 1/2 years old, still has good battery life, and basically does everything I want. I think I've got my money's worth already, and expect to keep using it in the future. BTW, cost of those iOS upgrades - $0. Not a bad deal compared to the $50 that software like Parallels keeps asking for every year.
    - LordIllidan 14y ago
      I have an iPad 1 myself, and I am looking to replace it. Browsing - complex pages (techcrunch is one particular abomination) have a tendency to crash Safari. Chrome was far too slow to bother with. Old Twitter app was crashing several times when loading in-app browser. Applications in general tend to quit a lot. It worked wonderfully when it was out, but its barely usable now.
pmjordan 14y ago
While I'm as annoyed at Apple as you are (environmentally friendly my arse), Android devices don't exactly have a history of frequent and timely software updates. The saving grace is that new apps often still support ancient OS releases.
- bergie 14y ago
  Android in general has a quite bad version update track record, but that doesn't include the Nexus line of devices
  - shurane 14y ago
    Nexus One has just completely dropped support. Android's saving grace is that there is a community of programmers willing to support devices that are otherwise locked/unsupported. A lot like *nix in the early days. It's all grassroots from here on. If only there was a way to distill that information to the less informed consumers.
  - stesch 14y ago
    Is there an official (by Google) upgrade to Android 4.1 for the Nexus One?
    - css771 14y ago
      The real reason here is a technical limitation. The Nexus One and many other devices from that generation have very little ROM space. Typically <500MB. ICS+ takes anywhere from 350MB-400MB of that. So the user is left is left with hardly any space to install apps. It can fit less than 5 apps probably. Even with custom ICS and JB roms this is a problem, but there people know what they are getting into before hand, and also for rooted devices, there's ext2sd which basically uses your sdcard to store user data. Google fixed this with Nexus S and forwards. So we have to wait and see how long the Nexus S will be updated.
      - MatthewPhillips 14y ago
rayiner 14y ago
Tell me more about how you bought a smaller device two years after your iPad and it does everything the iPad did for less money.
Adirael 14y ago
It's not like Android devices have a good track record regarding updates. I'm an iPad 1 user bought when it launched on USA (imported, I'm on Europe) and I use it every day. From RSS (Reeder) to video streaming (Plex) and SSH (Prompt). It's running iOS5 good enough, iOS6 is out but my iPad 1 hasn't imploded and it's still working. There may be some Apps that won't work on it in the near future, but I doubt it will bother me enough to upgrade or switch to a worse platform. Most apps still target 4.2.
ja27 14y ago
I didn't get an iPad 1, partly because I figured the 2nd or 3rd gen device would be so much better. Standing behind me in the iPad 2 line was a guy that had just sold his iPad 1 for $100 less than he'd paid for it. Essentially leasing an iPad for $100 a year sounds like a fine deal. It made me wonder why Apple doesn't do leases or some sort of hardware "subscriptions".
- shurane 14y ago
  As opposed to getting people to buy it? I thought leasing makes more sense for much more expensive electronics.
- cmwelsh 14y ago
  Apple has done this already by offering 0% interest loans on their website through their credit card partner, barclaycard.
podperson 14y ago
I bought a Nexus 7 a little while back and my initial reaction was similar to yours. Now, I'd rather use my old iPad gen 1 than the brand new dual core Nexus 7, which -- among other things -- can seize up so badly when doing something as simple as typing a URL that it misses touch events altogether.
- axx 14y ago
  Didn't notice this by now, but i can say that i'm pretty happy with it (for now). As i said in my initial comment, Android has problems, but if you think back to the first iOS versions, there were a lot of problems. Many people dont remember that, but before iOS 4 there were a lot of pretty nasty bugs. The other thing is, if android improves more over time, it's doesn't hurt so much when they drop support for device X after 2 years when you only paid 200-250 Euro/Dollar. If you run a 2 year cycle of devise-replacing for a price like that, i'm perfectly fine with it.
  - podperson 14y ago
    The nexus 7 is scarcely a 1.0 device (and I had an iPad on release day and it worked fine on iOS 3.x). My kindle fire, with its many flaws has never seized up this way.
- andybak 14y ago
  Looks like you're a victim of the same bug as me: http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/mobile/loqbCbKVMWE http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/mobile/loqbCbK... I'm sending it back for a replacement but in the short-term a factory reset fixes it.
nilsbunger 14y ago
I'm curious how long Google will provide updates to the Nexus 7 after they stop selling it? What's a "reasonable" time?
- myko 14y ago
  I would hope 3 years or so. At least in the case of the Nexus 7 being supported in AOSP it is likely community developers will keep it updated after Google drops official support.
taligent 14y ago
iPad 1 (April 2010) ---- Nexus 7 (September 2012) So that's nearly two and a half years. You would hope the Nexus could do everything the iPad could at a substantially cheaper price.
bigiain 14y ago
Out of interest, how long did you expect your original iPad to continue to get OS updates? Mine is ~28 months old now. Personally I'm not all that unhappy with that sort of support lifespan for what to me was pretty much bought as a "tech toy", admittedly and expensive one, but I never expected decades of support for it… (I've got a friend who bought her iPad1 about 5 weeks before the iPad2 came out, she's somewhat less happy than I am…)

by axx 14y ago

upinsmoke 14y ago

So you are saying iOS 6 sucks, yet you complain you can't install iOS 6 on iPad 1? Why not just stay on iOS 5? It works great and almost all the apps work on it.

sxcurry 14y ago

Funny, I have the original iPad as well, but I haven't yet gotten the official message from Apple to sell it on eBay. Maybe they're sending them to Europe first? Also, the strange thing is that it still runs as well as the day I bought it, and still does everything it did from Day 1, as well as new things that came with updates to iOS. I forget, why am I supposed to be angry at Apple?

danso 14y ago
I think the problems arise when app devs have to jump through an increasing number of hoops to maintain backwards comparability...which I'm sure is additionally aggravating because, as you say, the iPad appears "to do everything it did from Day 1" Of course, the comparability game is nothing new. The problem is that as an iOS user, you haven't choice to upgrade to the latesst compatible version of an app. You only have the choice to install thhe most recent version of the app. Or at least this is what I understand is a barrier for both devs and users. At least with PCs, devs had the option of providing 32 and 64 bit versions of their latest software
- deleted 14y ago
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hermanhermitage 14y ago
Still runs as well? I'd love to know what set up you've got. Since iOS 5 my iPad 1 has been utterly unusable - many multi second lags and endless application quits. Even brand new out of the box the iPad 1 and also the original iPhone were incredibly unstable - particularly in safari. Everyone turned a blind eye to it.
- sxcurry 14y ago
  Mostly browsing (new Chrome works well), Netflix, LogMeIn Ignition for remote desktop, photo viewing, Skype. Compared to my new MacBook Air it does seems a little slow starting apps, etc, but the thing is almost 2 1/2 years old, still has good battery life, and basically does everything I want. I think I've got my money's worth already, and expect to keep using it in the future. BTW, cost of those iOS upgrades - $0. Not a bad deal compared to the $50 that software like Parallels keeps asking for every year.
  - LordIllidan 14y ago
    I have an iPad 1 myself, and I am looking to replace it. Browsing - complex pages (techcrunch is one particular abomination) have a tendency to crash Safari. Chrome was far too slow to bother with. Old Twitter app was crashing several times when loading in-app browser. Applications in general tend to quit a lot. It worked wonderfully when it was out, but its barely usable now.

pmjordan 14y ago

While I'm as annoyed at Apple as you are (environmentally friendly my arse), Android devices don't exactly have a history of frequent and timely software updates. The saving grace is that new apps often still support ancient OS releases.

bergie 14y ago
Android in general has a quite bad version update track record, but that doesn't include the Nexus line of devices
- shurane 14y ago
  Nexus One has just completely dropped support. Android's saving grace is that there is a community of programmers willing to support devices that are otherwise locked/unsupported. A lot like *nix in the early days. It's all grassroots from here on. If only there was a way to distill that information to the less informed consumers.
- stesch 14y ago
  Is there an official (by Google) upgrade to Android 4.1 for the Nexus One?
  - css771 14y ago
    The real reason here is a technical limitation. The Nexus One and many other devices from that generation have very little ROM space. Typically <500MB. ICS+ takes anywhere from 350MB-400MB of that. So the user is left is left with hardly any space to install apps. It can fit less than 5 apps probably. Even with custom ICS and JB roms this is a problem, but there people know what they are getting into before hand, and also for rooted devices, there's ext2sd which basically uses your sdcard to store user data. Google fixed this with Nexus S and forwards. So we have to wait and see how long the Nexus S will be updated.
    - MatthewPhillips 14y ago

rayiner 14y ago

Tell me more about how you bought a smaller device two years after your iPad and it does everything the iPad did for less money.

Adirael 14y ago

It's not like Android devices have a good track record regarding updates. I'm an iPad 1 user bought when it launched on USA (imported, I'm on Europe) and I use it every day. From RSS (Reeder) to video streaming (Plex) and SSH (Prompt). It's running iOS5 good enough, iOS6 is out but my iPad 1 hasn't imploded and it's still working. There may be some Apps that won't work on it in the near future, but I doubt it will bother me enough to upgrade or switch to a worse platform. Most apps still target 4.2.

ja27 14y ago

I didn't get an iPad 1, partly because I figured the 2nd or 3rd gen device would be so much better. Standing behind me in the iPad 2 line was a guy that had just sold his iPad 1 for $100 less than he'd paid for it. Essentially leasing an iPad for $100 a year sounds like a fine deal. It made me wonder why Apple doesn't do leases or some sort of hardware "subscriptions".

shurane 14y ago
As opposed to getting people to buy it? I thought leasing makes more sense for much more expensive electronics.
cmwelsh 14y ago
Apple has done this already by offering 0% interest loans on their website through their credit card partner, barclaycard.

podperson 14y ago

I bought a Nexus 7 a little while back and my initial reaction was similar to yours. Now, I'd rather use my old iPad gen 1 than the brand new dual core Nexus 7, which -- among other things -- can seize up so badly when doing something as simple as typing a URL that it misses touch events altogether.

axx 14y ago
Didn't notice this by now, but i can say that i'm pretty happy with it (for now). As i said in my initial comment, Android has problems, but if you think back to the first iOS versions, there were a lot of problems. Many people dont remember that, but before iOS 4 there were a lot of pretty nasty bugs. The other thing is, if android improves more over time, it's doesn't hurt so much when they drop support for device X after 2 years when you only paid 200-250 Euro/Dollar. If you run a 2 year cycle of devise-replacing for a price like that, i'm perfectly fine with it.
- podperson 14y ago
  The nexus 7 is scarcely a 1.0 device (and I had an iPad on release day and it worked fine on iOS 3.x). My kindle fire, with its many flaws has never seized up this way.
andybak 14y ago
Looks like you're a victim of the same bug as me: http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/mobile/loqbCbKVMWE http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/mobile/loqbCbK... I'm sending it back for a replacement but in the short-term a factory reset fixes it.

nilsbunger 14y ago

I'm curious how long Google will provide updates to the Nexus 7 after they stop selling it? What's a "reasonable" time?

myko 14y ago
I would hope 3 years or so. At least in the case of the Nexus 7 being supported in AOSP it is likely community developers will keep it updated after Google drops official support.

taligent 14y ago

iPad 1 (April 2010) ---- Nexus 7 (September 2012) So that's nearly two and a half years. You would hope the Nexus could do everything the iPad could at a substantially cheaper price.

bigiain 14y ago

Out of interest, how long did you expect your original iPad to continue to get OS updates? Mine is ~28 months old now. Personally I'm not all that unhappy with that sort of support lifespan for what to me was pretty much bought as a "tech toy", admittedly and expensive one, but I never expected decades of support for it… (I've got a friend who bought her iPad1 about 5 weeks before the iPad2 came out, she's somewhat less happy than I am…)