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Of course, what if I use an SSH tunnel instead as that normally suffices a lot easier for me. It's basically the same underlying libraries? They would have to r

by InMice 11mo ago

Of course, what if I use an SSH tunnel instead as that normally suffices a lot easier for me. It's basically the same underlying libraries? They would have to regulate the use of libssl, libcrypto, etc. This makes no sense lol. Am I going to find myself in jail one day for "Unregulated use of a private/public key pair?"

willis936 11mo ago
That depends on if you are poor and/or considered a political enemy. Where is the party of small government?
- autoexec 11mo ago
  The actual size of government doesn't much matter, it's what the government does and doesn't do that counts.
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  - brookst 11mo ago
    “Small government” is ambiguous. It used to mean exactly that — scope of powers. These days it’s become unclear and some people use it to mean headcount.
- coldpie 11mo ago
  > Where is the party of small government? It's the conservative 2/3 of the Democratic party.
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- LexiMax 11mo ago
  > Where is the party of small government? "Small government" in all its forms and variations is smoke. If you hear someone who says they desire small government, they are either lying to your face because they want their despot to have power, or haven't given their position enough interrogation to ask themselves the question "If the government isn't powerful, what is preventing a power-hungry despot from seizing power?"
hsbauauvhabzb 11mo ago
The tunnel part isn’t exactly a crypto function, but the crypto makes it hard to detect. You can tunnel anything over http,, telnet, dns or sms too.
James_K 11mo ago
>Of course, what if I use an SSH tunnel instead Are you a child? Probably not, so you are just accessing legally available content by alternate means. It's strange how many people think they are out-smarting a system when said system is explicitly designed to allow them access. These laws are primarily intended to stop children browsing the internet from being exposed to porn and gore when they're simply browsing the web. A child who has gained sufficient independence to purchase their own VPN subscription or operate an SSH server to look at pictures of boobies without their parents knowing has also likely reached the point in life where doing so is not harmful to them.
- monooso 11mo ago
  Did you read the article? Firstly, the article makes it clear that the definition of "harmful to children" is being systematically expanded to mean "makes conservatives a bit uncomfortable." And secondly: > It's strange how many people think they are out-smarting a system when said system is explicitly designed to allow them access. The whole point of the article is to draw attention to the fact that certain regions are trying to make the use of a VPN illegal. If that were to happen, using an SSH tunnel would indeed be "outsmarting the system."
  - Nifty3929 11mo ago
    I agree with you, except maybe 'using an SSH tunnel would indeed be "outsmarting the system."' Not sure how you meant that, but I'm sure that using an SSH tunnel to get around VPN restrictions will be determined to be illegal. They'll just say an SSH tunnel IS a VPN in the legal sense. Of course, this won't matter for the vast majority that they don't prosecute - it will only matter for the few they do, which hopefully isn't you or me. But you never know. You get pulled over for a broken taillight and then - "hey, is that a NordVPN sticker on your laptop there..." and next thing you know you're doing 10-life.
  - ndsipa_pomu 11mo ago
    > the article makes it clear that the definition of "harmful to children" is being systematically expanded to mean "makes conservatives a bit uncomfortable." Seems clear to me that a lot of religious sites are directly harmful to children if they allow the church elders abuse them with impunity.

by InMice 11mo ago

willis936 11mo ago

That depends on if you are poor and/or considered a political enemy. Where is the party of small government?

autoexec 11mo ago
The actual size of government doesn't much matter, it's what the government does and doesn't do that counts.
- deleted 11mo ago
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- brookst 11mo ago
  “Small government” is ambiguous. It used to mean exactly that — scope of powers. These days it’s become unclear and some people use it to mean headcount.
coldpie 11mo ago
> Where is the party of small government? It's the conservative 2/3 of the Democratic party.
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LexiMax 11mo ago
> Where is the party of small government? "Small government" in all its forms and variations is smoke. If you hear someone who says they desire small government, they are either lying to your face because they want their despot to have power, or haven't given their position enough interrogation to ask themselves the question "If the government isn't powerful, what is preventing a power-hungry despot from seizing power?"

hsbauauvhabzb 11mo ago

The tunnel part isn’t exactly a crypto function, but the crypto makes it hard to detect. You can tunnel anything over http,, telnet, dns or sms too.

James_K 11mo ago

>Of course, what if I use an SSH tunnel instead Are you a child? Probably not, so you are just accessing legally available content by alternate means. It's strange how many people think they are out-smarting a system when said system is explicitly designed to allow them access. These laws are primarily intended to stop children browsing the internet from being exposed to porn and gore when they're simply browsing the web. A child who has gained sufficient independence to purchase their own VPN subscription or operate an SSH server to look at pictures of boobies without their parents knowing has also likely reached the point in life where doing so is not harmful to them.

monooso 11mo ago
Did you read the article? Firstly, the article makes it clear that the definition of "harmful to children" is being systematically expanded to mean "makes conservatives a bit uncomfortable." And secondly: > It's strange how many people think they are out-smarting a system when said system is explicitly designed to allow them access. The whole point of the article is to draw attention to the fact that certain regions are trying to make the use of a VPN illegal. If that were to happen, using an SSH tunnel would indeed be "outsmarting the system."
- Nifty3929 11mo ago
  I agree with you, except maybe 'using an SSH tunnel would indeed be "outsmarting the system."' Not sure how you meant that, but I'm sure that using an SSH tunnel to get around VPN restrictions will be determined to be illegal. They'll just say an SSH tunnel IS a VPN in the legal sense. Of course, this won't matter for the vast majority that they don't prosecute - it will only matter for the few they do, which hopefully isn't you or me. But you never know. You get pulled over for a broken taillight and then - "hey, is that a NordVPN sticker on your laptop there..." and next thing you know you're doing 10-life.
- ndsipa_pomu 11mo ago
  > the article makes it clear that the definition of "harmful to children" is being systematically expanded to mean "makes conservatives a bit uncomfortable." Seems clear to me that a lot of religious sites are directly harmful to children if they allow the church elders abuse them with impunity.