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She may have inadvertently miscategorized some pick up artists as Facebook stalkers, for better or worse, as it's a fairly well known opener to talk about horse

She may have inadvertently miscategorized some pick up artists as Facebook stalkers, for better or worse, as it's a fairly well known opener to talk about horses: http://becomingpua.com/blog/pua-opener-horse-girl.html http://becomingpua.com/blog/pua-opener-horse-girl.html

notatoad 14y ago
I can only imagine that "pick up artists" are even lower down on the list of people that girls want to talk to than facebook stalkers are.
- zerostar07 14y ago
  But if they don't work, why are they called (and respected as) PUAs? Is it some kind of jedi mind trick on redditors?
  - Jach 14y ago
    There are plenty of men and women who are dumb and/or easy to please. Though I would agree with your parent comment that given a woman doesn't like "facebook stalkers" and is alert for their presence, she probably also won't like PUAs and is alert for their presence.
  - badclient 14y ago
    Because it works. I've to look no further than myself. It's changed me significantly for the better in this area of life. The term PUA has a negative association in the mainstream because there is a perception it uses jedi mind tricks to bed the girl. This is not helped by myriad of products aimed at newbies that promise overnight success. On average though, most decent PUAs become decent after lots of practice to become less shy and more charming. Many many of them are nerds(my wing is a RoR programmer and also very good with the ladies).
    - derleth 14y ago
      > The term PUA has a negative association in the mainstream because there is a perception it uses jedi mind tricks to bed the girl. Maybe among some people. The rest of us look at crap like 'negging' and see that the whole thing's a tactic to get the emotionally damaged to sleep with the socially stunted.
      - badclient 14y ago
        You are welcome to judge from behind the monitor but if you actually went out and looked at reality, you'd realize there is nothing magical about negs and that negs themselves won't get you a girl--whether emotionally damaged or not. It could in certain cases help you increase attraction a wee bit. In that sense, it isn't much different than tips we read about pitching to VCs etc.
        derleth 14y ago
        > In that sense, it isn't much different than tips we read about pitching to VCs etc. Except for the moral aspect, which PUAs seem dead-set on ignoring.
        badclient 14y ago
        That's a fair point. To that I would say once you lift the curtains and take a peek, you will find many different school of thoughts within this. Some of the most famous personalities and ideas about PUAs in the mainstream isn't even very popular inside the PUA community. On the other hand, there are entire "systems" that are premised on being dead honest about your intention.
        evan_ 14y ago
        I guess the thing that people don't like about it is the part where you insult people you don't know for selfish reasons? I mean maybe that's part of it?
      - Jd 14y ago
        This is to a certain extent based on a misconception. First, 'negging' is simply one tactic in the arsenal of the PUA, although in the present circulation it receives a good deal of prominence due to its counter-intuitive nature and the legions of doltish would-be PUAs that run around 'negging' people since they don't have any other social skills. Sadly, here, as elsewhere, the audience which is most likely to get into the "Game" most completely are those that have the lowest prospects to start with, and a few tricks are not going to change someone with no social skills into Prince Charming in a matter of sessions. That said, although I have more or less agreed with you with regards to the 'social stunted' part (as a generalization) 'negging' is not particularly targeted at the emotionally damaged who respond to being put down. It is a tactic charged at the supremely confident, attractive girl who is used to blowing off guys who approach her. The 'neg' is, consequently, first and foremost, an expression of confidence by the person who is approaching her. He is not approaching her as a fawning wretch, but someone who thinks of himself as her equal or even superior. That this can be a turn on of sorts, esp. when contrasted with the usual types of social interaction encountered by very attractive women at bars and clubs, should be obvious. That the usual types of social interaction at bars and clubs are far from ideal or normative is hopefully also understood.
  - illuminate 14y ago
    The simple answer to that is that they're ~not~ respected by anybody other than fellow PUAs. "It works" is an overly broad statement, any cult could claim the same. Confidence works. Abusive language "works" on those preconditioned to abuse. Certain ridiculous practices certainly do not "work", and at the very least are unnecessary. Being a PUA does not make one more successful at picking up ladies, or more happy, and you can certainly find more success by applying the basic techniques of showing self-confidence and interest in women without all the bizarre cultlike requirements sold by the PUA "leaders".
jiggy2011 14y ago
Wow, I'd love to know how many people that has worked out for. "PUA" is one of the most amusing internet subcultures, I'm very surprised that I haven't yet seen it used as a target by a comedian or comedy show.
- fwr 14y ago
  I agree, the guides you can read on /r/seduction [1] are so hilarious that I can't believe anybody who writes these would be dumb enough to actually try them. [1] http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction -> sidebar guides
  - drumdance 14y ago
    If you read a little more deeply you'll find a lot of "thank you" posts like this: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/10hx83/fr_so_im_farily_new_to_seddit_and_finally_decided/ http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/10hx83/fr_so_im_f... It's working for some people.
    - fwr 14y ago
      I really hope it's the improved mindset that's helping them, not literally following the guides.
    - Dylan16807 14y ago
      Everybody's going to get lucky some of the time, especially when PUA methods encourage hitting up as many women as you can see. What I find amazing is when some of the more hardcore PUAs declare that hookups without the sleazy tactics "don't count", as part of the cultish nature of the community. Edit: fwr, yes, the real benefits come from a bit of confidence, and it is often enough to overcome the ridiculous tactics.
      - zerostar07 14y ago
        Given reddit's geeky audience, i wonder if they have analyzed their results to see statistically significant effect.
baby 14y ago
Trying to promote your website much huh?
batista 14y ago
>as it's a fairly well known opener to talk about horses In Victorian England, among the fox-hunting class, maybe...

notatoad 14y ago

I can only imagine that "pick up artists" are even lower down on the list of people that girls want to talk to than facebook stalkers are.

zerostar07 14y ago
But if they don't work, why are they called (and respected as) PUAs? Is it some kind of jedi mind trick on redditors?
- Jach 14y ago
  There are plenty of men and women who are dumb and/or easy to please. Though I would agree with your parent comment that given a woman doesn't like "facebook stalkers" and is alert for their presence, she probably also won't like PUAs and is alert for their presence.
- badclient 14y ago
  Because it works. I've to look no further than myself. It's changed me significantly for the better in this area of life. The term PUA has a negative association in the mainstream because there is a perception it uses jedi mind tricks to bed the girl. This is not helped by myriad of products aimed at newbies that promise overnight success. On average though, most decent PUAs become decent after lots of practice to become less shy and more charming. Many many of them are nerds(my wing is a RoR programmer and also very good with the ladies).
  - derleth 14y ago
    > The term PUA has a negative association in the mainstream because there is a perception it uses jedi mind tricks to bed the girl. Maybe among some people. The rest of us look at crap like 'negging' and see that the whole thing's a tactic to get the emotionally damaged to sleep with the socially stunted.
    - badclient 14y ago
      You are welcome to judge from behind the monitor but if you actually went out and looked at reality, you'd realize there is nothing magical about negs and that negs themselves won't get you a girl--whether emotionally damaged or not. It could in certain cases help you increase attraction a wee bit. In that sense, it isn't much different than tips we read about pitching to VCs etc.
      - derleth 14y ago
        > In that sense, it isn't much different than tips we read about pitching to VCs etc. Except for the moral aspect, which PUAs seem dead-set on ignoring.
        badclient 14y ago
        That's a fair point. To that I would say once you lift the curtains and take a peek, you will find many different school of thoughts within this. Some of the most famous personalities and ideas about PUAs in the mainstream isn't even very popular inside the PUA community. On the other hand, there are entire "systems" that are premised on being dead honest about your intention.
      - evan_ 14y ago
        I guess the thing that people don't like about it is the part where you insult people you don't know for selfish reasons? I mean maybe that's part of it?
    - Jd 14y ago
      This is to a certain extent based on a misconception. First, 'negging' is simply one tactic in the arsenal of the PUA, although in the present circulation it receives a good deal of prominence due to its counter-intuitive nature and the legions of doltish would-be PUAs that run around 'negging' people since they don't have any other social skills. Sadly, here, as elsewhere, the audience which is most likely to get into the "Game" most completely are those that have the lowest prospects to start with, and a few tricks are not going to change someone with no social skills into Prince Charming in a matter of sessions. That said, although I have more or less agreed with you with regards to the 'social stunted' part (as a generalization) 'negging' is not particularly targeted at the emotionally damaged who respond to being put down. It is a tactic charged at the supremely confident, attractive girl who is used to blowing off guys who approach her. The 'neg' is, consequently, first and foremost, an expression of confidence by the person who is approaching her. He is not approaching her as a fawning wretch, but someone who thinks of himself as her equal or even superior. That this can be a turn on of sorts, esp. when contrasted with the usual types of social interaction encountered by very attractive women at bars and clubs, should be obvious. That the usual types of social interaction at bars and clubs are far from ideal or normative is hopefully also understood.
- illuminate 14y ago
  The simple answer to that is that they're ~not~ respected by anybody other than fellow PUAs. "It works" is an overly broad statement, any cult could claim the same. Confidence works. Abusive language "works" on those preconditioned to abuse. Certain ridiculous practices certainly do not "work", and at the very least are unnecessary. Being a PUA does not make one more successful at picking up ladies, or more happy, and you can certainly find more success by applying the basic techniques of showing self-confidence and interest in women without all the bizarre cultlike requirements sold by the PUA "leaders".

jiggy2011 14y ago

Wow, I'd love to know how many people that has worked out for. "PUA" is one of the most amusing internet subcultures, I'm very surprised that I haven't yet seen it used as a target by a comedian or comedy show.

fwr 14y ago
I agree, the guides you can read on /r/seduction [1] are so hilarious that I can't believe anybody who writes these would be dumb enough to actually try them. [1] http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction -> sidebar guides
- drumdance 14y ago
  If you read a little more deeply you'll find a lot of "thank you" posts like this: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/10hx83/fr_so_im_farily_new_to_seddit_and_finally_decided/ http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/10hx83/fr_so_im_f... It's working for some people.
  - fwr 14y ago
    I really hope it's the improved mindset that's helping them, not literally following the guides.
  - Dylan16807 14y ago
    Everybody's going to get lucky some of the time, especially when PUA methods encourage hitting up as many women as you can see. What I find amazing is when some of the more hardcore PUAs declare that hookups without the sleazy tactics "don't count", as part of the cultish nature of the community. Edit: fwr, yes, the real benefits come from a bit of confidence, and it is often enough to overcome the ridiculous tactics.
    - zerostar07 14y ago
      Given reddit's geeky audience, i wonder if they have analyzed their results to see statistically significant effect.

baby 14y ago

Trying to promote your website much huh?

batista 14y ago

>as it's a fairly well known opener to talk about horses In Victorian England, among the fox-hunting class, maybe...