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Another problem is what happens when police stop to search you. You don't want to have "please beat me dead" app installed when it's happens.

immibis 11mo ago
I think in these kinds of places they beat you dead for being the wrong skin colour if they're in a bad mood. I'm not sure how much your installed apps are relevant to the decision.
- iddan 11mo ago
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- vladgur 11mo ago
  The "wrong skin color" is projection of western ideologies to Israel/Gaza conflict. Israelis have lighter skin Ashkenazi Jews, darker skin Mizrahi Jews(majority of hte jews in Israel now) and black Ethiopian jews. And of course 20%+ Arabs living in the country. Gazan Palestinians skin color varies as well, some have light skin, while others have darker skin tones. For example, does this woman have the right skin color or the wrong one: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Ahed_Tamimi_2018.jpg/800px-Ahed_Tamimi_2018.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Ah...
  - wahnfrieden 11mo ago
    Despite that, isn't there a history of compulsive violence based on skin-based profiling? These are facts, not ideology. 2 off-duty soldiers assaulted after being mistaken for Arabs https://www.timesofisrael.com/2-off-duty-soldiers-assaulted-after-being-mistaken-for-arabs/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/2-off-duty-soldiers-assaulted-... Live TV shows Israeli mob attack motorist they believed to be an Arab https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/13/live-tv-shows-israeli-mob-lynch-motorist-in-tel-aviv-suburb https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/13/live-tv-shows-... Israeli soldier kills Jewish civilian in 'identity mishap' https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34602287 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34602287 3 hostages killed by Israeli soldier in Gaza were waving a white flag, Israel says https://www.npr.org/2023/12/15/1219695220/israel-soldiers-mistakenly-kill-hostages-gaza https://www.npr.org/2023/12/15/1219695220/israel-soldiers-mi... Israeli Civilian Killed by Israeli Soldier after Being Mistaken for Palestinian https://www.palestinechronicle.com/israeli-civilian-killed-by-israeli-soldier-after-being-mistaken-for-palestinian/ https://www.palestinechronicle.com/israeli-civilian-killed-b... And from Wikipedia: > The Israeli Security Forces use racial profiling at military checkpoints and during some of the duties they perform. In August 2017 Haaretz reported that security guards working for a company which provides security at Tel Aviv's Central Bus Station said they were instructed to demand ID from people who look Arab and detain those who do not have an ID with them. OP said that Israelis beat people up for having the wrong skin color. The one I replied to said that is wrong and is a projection of western ideology. But it does not appear to be wrong in reality - OP was correct.
    - vladgur 11mo ago
      Dont these show that skin-based profiling doesnt work in Israel -- Jews and Arabs are being mistaken for each other. Not sure what the Florida example has to do with anything though. Here are some similar headlines: Palestinians remove Muslim from al-Aqsa after confusing him for a Jew https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-692563 https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-692563 Palestinian stabs Arab Israeli bus driver thinking he was a Jew https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-charged-over-petah-tikva-stabbing-attack/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-charged-over-petah...
  - mef51 11mo ago
    The colonization of Gaza and the West Bank is entirely driven by western interests and ideology. Namely Zionism[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
    - UltraSane 11mo ago
      No Jews live in Gaza.
      - immibis 11mo ago
        Israelis live in Palestine though - it's just that any area they live gets renamed from "Palestine" to "Israel", usually accompanied by heavily artillery fire and drone strikes, to clear out the natives.
        UltraSane 11mo ago
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        vladgur 11mo ago
        I wish more people were upfront with the truth like you are. A very sensible interpretation of your words is a) All land between Jordan river and mediterranean sea should be called Palestine b) only Arabs are natives of that lands. Here b) is plainly wrong -- Both arabs and jews continuously lived in that area for hundreds and for Jews -- thousands -- of years. and a) implies that the state of Israel does not have a right to exist. This basically a two sentence version of "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" slogan where its clear that we are not talking about West Bank and Gaza, but rather the entire land including Israel. THanks for clarifying it
        immibis 11mo ago
        I didn't say Jews. You said Jews. I said Israelis. I don't care what their religion is - bombing all the hospitals and universities in a region and drone striking little babies is terrible horrible no no very bad stuff. By the way, if we're talking about tribalism, the distant descendants of the Jews who lived in that area thousands of years ago, are (largely) the Palestinians. The modern Israelis are (largely) an entirely separate group of white Europeans that immigrated from Europe after WW2.
  - School-Cotton 11mo ago
    There are also black people in Gaza: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Palestinians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Palestinians
    - klipt 11mo ago
      > racism within Palestinian communities. Of course
  - LightBug1 11mo ago
    Projection? Really? ... Do a little research into how black Ethiopian Jews were given birth control shots without their consent or knowledge.
mothballed 11mo ago
If goons are killing you for having an app you don't need more apps, you need a gun.
- cardanome 11mo ago
  You are right but as German if I made that point publicly in regards to Palestine I would get arrested. I am not exaggerating It is crazy how we have dehumanized Palestinians to the point that just hinting on the fact that they might have a right to resist it completely taboo. Like you don't have to agree with their methods but expecting them to do nothing while Israel murders them and the world looks away is such a cruelty that is hard to comprehend.
  - Sabinus 11mo ago
    I don't know about that, if settlers in the West Bank cop some violence then that's going to be considered well deserved. Soldiers of 'a government' committing murder, rape and hostage taking on a music festival is going to earn you a bit of looking away to the consequences. I don't expect them to do nothing, I expect them to come to a deal not sacrifice everything in an eternal and vain attempt to remove Israel from the map.
    - zhengiszen 11mo ago
      What about a society glorifying children murder and rape on prisoners of war ?
    - cardanome 11mo ago
      > I don't expect them to do nothing, I expect them to come to a deal Well that is what they did. People like you told shite like "The war ends if they release the hostages". They agreed to the first step of the peace plan. They released the hostages. They are keeping the truce. (Israel claims they killed a few soldiers but that seem to be a lie, they probably died from explosive that were already lying around). So what did it gain them? Israels keeps murdering them. People are still starving in Gaza because Israel refuses to let food in. > committing murder, rape and hostage taking This is what Israel has been doing for decades. We just call the hostages prisoners. While the Palestinians have treated their hostages as well as they could even when Gaza was starving, the bodies of the dead political prisoners Israel gave back were so mutilated from systemic torture that not even family members are able to recognize them. As for the accusation of the resistance committing systemic rape, that is just racist propaganda. Same when they justified the lynching of black people in the US with saying they raped white women. We would have video evidence if something like that had happened.
tamimio 11mo ago
It’s different situation in Gaza tho, unlike protests where you might need to hide your identity going there to participate so having that app will expose you, in gaza it’s more of a concentration camp where the main resources are controlled but on the ground, not really, so no police will stop you there because you have an app, bitchat might be the perfect solution.

immibis 11mo ago

I think in these kinds of places they beat you dead for being the wrong skin colour if they're in a bad mood. I'm not sure how much your installed apps are relevant to the decision.

iddan 11mo ago
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vladgur 11mo ago
The "wrong skin color" is projection of western ideologies to Israel/Gaza conflict. Israelis have lighter skin Ashkenazi Jews, darker skin Mizrahi Jews(majority of hte jews in Israel now) and black Ethiopian jews. And of course 20%+ Arabs living in the country. Gazan Palestinians skin color varies as well, some have light skin, while others have darker skin tones. For example, does this woman have the right skin color or the wrong one: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Ahed_Tamimi_2018.jpg/800px-Ahed_Tamimi_2018.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/Ah...
- wahnfrieden 11mo ago
  Despite that, isn't there a history of compulsive violence based on skin-based profiling? These are facts, not ideology. 2 off-duty soldiers assaulted after being mistaken for Arabs https://www.timesofisrael.com/2-off-duty-soldiers-assaulted-after-being-mistaken-for-arabs/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/2-off-duty-soldiers-assaulted-... Live TV shows Israeli mob attack motorist they believed to be an Arab https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/13/live-tv-shows-israeli-mob-lynch-motorist-in-tel-aviv-suburb https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/13/live-tv-shows-... Israeli soldier kills Jewish civilian in 'identity mishap' https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34602287 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34602287 3 hostages killed by Israeli soldier in Gaza were waving a white flag, Israel says https://www.npr.org/2023/12/15/1219695220/israel-soldiers-mistakenly-kill-hostages-gaza https://www.npr.org/2023/12/15/1219695220/israel-soldiers-mi... Israeli Civilian Killed by Israeli Soldier after Being Mistaken for Palestinian https://www.palestinechronicle.com/israeli-civilian-killed-by-israeli-soldier-after-being-mistaken-for-palestinian/ https://www.palestinechronicle.com/israeli-civilian-killed-b... And from Wikipedia: > The Israeli Security Forces use racial profiling at military checkpoints and during some of the duties they perform. In August 2017 Haaretz reported that security guards working for a company which provides security at Tel Aviv's Central Bus Station said they were instructed to demand ID from people who look Arab and detain those who do not have an ID with them. OP said that Israelis beat people up for having the wrong skin color. The one I replied to said that is wrong and is a projection of western ideology. But it does not appear to be wrong in reality - OP was correct.
  - vladgur 11mo ago
    Dont these show that skin-based profiling doesnt work in Israel -- Jews and Arabs are being mistaken for each other. Not sure what the Florida example has to do with anything though. Here are some similar headlines: Palestinians remove Muslim from al-Aqsa after confusing him for a Jew https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-692563 https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-692563 Palestinian stabs Arab Israeli bus driver thinking he was a Jew https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-charged-over-petah-tikva-stabbing-attack/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-charged-over-petah...
- mef51 11mo ago
  The colonization of Gaza and the West Bank is entirely driven by western interests and ideology. Namely Zionism[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
  - UltraSane 11mo ago
    No Jews live in Gaza.
    - immibis 11mo ago
      Israelis live in Palestine though - it's just that any area they live gets renamed from "Palestine" to "Israel", usually accompanied by heavily artillery fire and drone strikes, to clear out the natives.
      - UltraSane 11mo ago
        [flagged]
      - vladgur 11mo ago
        I wish more people were upfront with the truth like you are. A very sensible interpretation of your words is a) All land between Jordan river and mediterranean sea should be called Palestine b) only Arabs are natives of that lands. Here b) is plainly wrong -- Both arabs and jews continuously lived in that area for hundreds and for Jews -- thousands -- of years. and a) implies that the state of Israel does not have a right to exist. This basically a two sentence version of "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" slogan where its clear that we are not talking about West Bank and Gaza, but rather the entire land including Israel. THanks for clarifying it
        immibis 11mo ago
        I didn't say Jews. You said Jews. I said Israelis. I don't care what their religion is - bombing all the hospitals and universities in a region and drone striking little babies is terrible horrible no no very bad stuff. By the way, if we're talking about tribalism, the distant descendants of the Jews who lived in that area thousands of years ago, are (largely) the Palestinians. The modern Israelis are (largely) an entirely separate group of white Europeans that immigrated from Europe after WW2.
- School-Cotton 11mo ago
  There are also black people in Gaza: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Palestinians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Palestinians
  - klipt 11mo ago
    > racism within Palestinian communities. Of course
- LightBug1 11mo ago
  Projection? Really? ... Do a little research into how black Ethiopian Jews were given birth control shots without their consent or knowledge.

mothballed 11mo ago

If goons are killing you for having an app you don't need more apps, you need a gun.

cardanome 11mo ago
You are right but as German if I made that point publicly in regards to Palestine I would get arrested. I am not exaggerating It is crazy how we have dehumanized Palestinians to the point that just hinting on the fact that they might have a right to resist it completely taboo. Like you don't have to agree with their methods but expecting them to do nothing while Israel murders them and the world looks away is such a cruelty that is hard to comprehend.
- Sabinus 11mo ago
  I don't know about that, if settlers in the West Bank cop some violence then that's going to be considered well deserved. Soldiers of 'a government' committing murder, rape and hostage taking on a music festival is going to earn you a bit of looking away to the consequences. I don't expect them to do nothing, I expect them to come to a deal not sacrifice everything in an eternal and vain attempt to remove Israel from the map.
  - zhengiszen 11mo ago
    What about a society glorifying children murder and rape on prisoners of war ?
  - cardanome 11mo ago
    > I don't expect them to do nothing, I expect them to come to a deal Well that is what they did. People like you told shite like "The war ends if they release the hostages". They agreed to the first step of the peace plan. They released the hostages. They are keeping the truce. (Israel claims they killed a few soldiers but that seem to be a lie, they probably died from explosive that were already lying around). So what did it gain them? Israels keeps murdering them. People are still starving in Gaza because Israel refuses to let food in. > committing murder, rape and hostage taking This is what Israel has been doing for decades. We just call the hostages prisoners. While the Palestinians have treated their hostages as well as they could even when Gaza was starving, the bodies of the dead political prisoners Israel gave back were so mutilated from systemic torture that not even family members are able to recognize them. As for the accusation of the resistance committing systemic rape, that is just racist propaganda. Same when they justified the lynching of black people in the US with saying they raped white women. We would have video evidence if something like that had happened.

tamimio 11mo ago

It’s different situation in Gaza tho, unlike protests where you might need to hide your identity going there to participate so having that app will expose you, in gaza it’s more of a concentration camp where the main resources are controlled but on the ground, not really, so no police will stop you there because you have an app, bitchat might be the perfect solution.