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I used Proxmox for years to run a fairly comprehensive homelab, and a few months ago replaced the entire thing with Incus (on a debian host, haven't tried Incus

by genshii 11mo ago

I used Proxmox for years to run a fairly comprehensive homelab, and a few months ago replaced the entire thing with Incus (on a debian host, haven't tried IncusOS yet). Incus is amazing and it makes so many things so much easier compared to Proxmox. One thing in particular is permissions in unprivileged containers. In Proxmox, you have to do a bunch of somewhat confusing ID mapping. In Incus, it's as simple as setting "shift=true". Also the profile system in Incus is really powerful and allowed me to deduplicate a ton of config.

udev4096 11mo ago
Profiles are really great. It's like cloud-init on steroids
aborsy 11mo ago
Incus is more comparable to LXD than proxmox. IncusOS is different though. LXD containers also are unprivileged by default.
- guipsp 11mo ago
  You might be mixing up LXC and LXD
  - gchamonlive 11mo ago
    Even I that worked for a long while with this tech would mix them up time and again, I think it's understandable.
  - madeforhnyo 11mo ago
    From Incus main page: > The Incus project was created by Aleksa Sarai as a community driven alternative to Canonical's LXD. Today, it's led and maintained by many of the same people that once created LXD. Thé confusion si real
  - aborsy 11mo ago
    No, LXD’s LXCs. I use it and it’s good. The UID mappings are correctly setup in Ubuntu so the containers run non-privileged by default. I hear Incus, a fork of LXD, is better. It’s used in truenas.
- kwk1 11mo ago
  Incus is specifically an LXD fork.
- udev4096 11mo ago
  Incus was an LXD fork in the very beginning but it's evolved a lot since then. Incus is far superior than LXD in number of ways
victorbjorklund 11mo ago
Interesting. Is there anything else that is better than proxmox? Like performance etc?
- exographicskip 11mo ago
  I like harvester by suse
- stormking 11mo ago
  Besides VMs and LXC/Proxmox-style containers, it can also run docker containers out of the box.
johntash 11mo ago
Can Incus do regular vms too, or only LXCs? I think I looked at it before but wrote it off because I still have some workloads that have to be in VMs.
- octagons 11mo ago
  Yes, it can do both. The image server will build for both options if possible, so you have to specify “—vm” on the command line creating the domain.
  - johntash 11mo ago
    That's awesome, thanks for the nudge. I reinstalled one of my proxmox servers so that I can try Incus out and see if I like it. It looks like it may handle networking (via ovn) a bit better than what I have now
- stormking 11mo ago
  It can do VMs, "system containers" like LXC and Docker/OCI-compatible application containers. There was a project to implement a dockcer-compose compatible "incus-compose" but unfortunately, it looks dead, right now. You can even set up a kubernetes cluster entirely composed of containers: https://github.com/lxc/cluster-api-provider-incus https://github.com/lxc/cluster-api-provider-incus

by genshii 11mo ago

udev4096 11mo ago

Profiles are really great. It's like cloud-init on steroids

aborsy 11mo ago

Incus is more comparable to LXD than proxmox. IncusOS is different though. LXD containers also are unprivileged by default.

guipsp 11mo ago
You might be mixing up LXC and LXD
- gchamonlive 11mo ago
  Even I that worked for a long while with this tech would mix them up time and again, I think it's understandable.
- madeforhnyo 11mo ago
  From Incus main page: > The Incus project was created by Aleksa Sarai as a community driven alternative to Canonical's LXD. Today, it's led and maintained by many of the same people that once created LXD. Thé confusion si real
- aborsy 11mo ago
  No, LXD’s LXCs. I use it and it’s good. The UID mappings are correctly setup in Ubuntu so the containers run non-privileged by default. I hear Incus, a fork of LXD, is better. It’s used in truenas.
kwk1 11mo ago
Incus is specifically an LXD fork.
udev4096 11mo ago
Incus was an LXD fork in the very beginning but it's evolved a lot since then. Incus is far superior than LXD in number of ways

victorbjorklund 11mo ago

Interesting. Is there anything else that is better than proxmox? Like performance etc?

exographicskip 11mo ago
I like harvester by suse
stormking 11mo ago
Besides VMs and LXC/Proxmox-style containers, it can also run docker containers out of the box.

johntash 11mo ago

Can Incus do regular vms too, or only LXCs? I think I looked at it before but wrote it off because I still have some workloads that have to be in VMs.

octagons 11mo ago
Yes, it can do both. The image server will build for both options if possible, so you have to specify “—vm” on the command line creating the domain.
- johntash 11mo ago
  That's awesome, thanks for the nudge. I reinstalled one of my proxmox servers so that I can try Incus out and see if I like it. It looks like it may handle networking (via ovn) a bit better than what I have now
stormking 11mo ago
It can do VMs, "system containers" like LXC and Docker/OCI-compatible application containers. There was a project to implement a dockcer-compose compatible "incus-compose" but unfortunately, it looks dead, right now. You can even set up a kubernetes cluster entirely composed of containers: https://github.com/lxc/cluster-api-provider-incus https://github.com/lxc/cluster-api-provider-incus