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This sentiment seems to be especially common with white progressive women in urban metropolitan areas and their (so-called) "allies." It is the first setting in

by ryandv 11mo ago

This sentiment seems to be especially common with white progressive women in urban metropolitan areas and their (so-called) "allies." It is the first setting in which I encountered these ideas being regularly and shamelessly circulated. As a visible and ethnic minority I did not encounter such rhetoric growing up in predominantly immigrant socially conservative suburban environments.

immibis 11mo ago
I've not seen anyone express this sentiment, beyond a few internet trolls, either. I've only seen a certain kind of men claiming that it's always expressed towards them. It appears to be mostly imagined in their heads, though I'm open to seeing the evidence that every time you walk down the street you are heckled for not using your male privilege to solve climate change.
- ryandv 11mo ago
  Well I guess I won't be heard here either then, when my lived experience as a visible and marginalized ethnic minority is being literally erased.
  - kjkjadksj 11mo ago
    How is that the conclusion you draw from the post you replied to?
  - freejazz 11mo ago
    litrally
  - btilly 11mo ago
    As DBT teaches, "Two things can be true at the same time." My son's lived experience doesn't invalidate yours. Just as it also doesn't invalidate my half-brother Tom's, who lives on a native reservation, nor my nieces, who are members of that tribe. You are wrong if you believe that I would not be willing to hear your experience. Remember, I'm the one saying, "Polarization is bad, we have to be willing to hear each other!" Sure, I'm sharing my son's experience. Which may be a hard experience for you to accept. But that really doesn't mean that I'm unwilling to hear your experience. Just as I have heard the experience of other family members with vastly different life stories.
graemep 11mo ago
I noticed the same thing in the UK. There is a certain group of women who cannot accept that women can be at fault, for example that a woman can be an abuser, regardless of the facts. > As a visible and ethnic minority I did not encounter such rhetoric growing up in predominantly immigrant socially conservative suburban environments. Not even social liberal ethnic members of minorities seem to be as inclined to do it was affluent white women. I think some people who are actually privileged play up being women (or being gay, or ethnic minority, or whatever) in order to play at belonging to an oppressed group. Its a bit like people claiming to be working class because they were as children, even if they are now living in a mansion. I am visible ethnic minority but did not grow up in a predominately immigrant or socially conservative area in the UK. I have lived elsewhere though.

by ryandv 11mo ago

immibis 11mo ago

I've not seen anyone express this sentiment, beyond a few internet trolls, either. I've only seen a certain kind of men claiming that it's always expressed towards them. It appears to be mostly imagined in their heads, though I'm open to seeing the evidence that every time you walk down the street you are heckled for not using your male privilege to solve climate change.

ryandv 11mo ago
Well I guess I won't be heard here either then, when my lived experience as a visible and marginalized ethnic minority is being literally erased.
- kjkjadksj 11mo ago
  How is that the conclusion you draw from the post you replied to?
- freejazz 11mo ago
  litrally
- btilly 11mo ago
  As DBT teaches, "Two things can be true at the same time." My son's lived experience doesn't invalidate yours. Just as it also doesn't invalidate my half-brother Tom's, who lives on a native reservation, nor my nieces, who are members of that tribe. You are wrong if you believe that I would not be willing to hear your experience. Remember, I'm the one saying, "Polarization is bad, we have to be willing to hear each other!" Sure, I'm sharing my son's experience. Which may be a hard experience for you to accept. But that really doesn't mean that I'm unwilling to hear your experience. Just as I have heard the experience of other family members with vastly different life stories.

graemep 11mo ago

I noticed the same thing in the UK. There is a certain group of women who cannot accept that women can be at fault, for example that a woman can be an abuser, regardless of the facts. > As a visible and ethnic minority I did not encounter such rhetoric growing up in predominantly immigrant socially conservative suburban environments. Not even social liberal ethnic members of minorities seem to be as inclined to do it was affluent white women. I think some people who are actually privileged play up being women (or being gay, or ethnic minority, or whatever) in order to play at belonging to an oppressed group. Its a bit like people claiming to be working class because they were as children, even if they are now living in a mansion. I am visible ethnic minority but did not grow up in a predominately immigrant or socially conservative area in the UK. I have lived elsewhere though.