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Hang on a minute. How do you square your claim that it's as it should be that train drivers can be paid as much as airline pilots, with your claim that everyone

• 113 11mo ago
  Where's the contradiction?
  • tome 11mo ago
    See sibling: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45915649 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45915649
  • noir_lord 11mo ago
    They are been pedantic by pointing out that the set "everyone else" excluding train drivers would still include pilots rather than reading it as intended which would conventionally and implicitly exclude pilots. It is what it is with some people.
    • tome 11mo ago
      Thanks for trying to help me understand. I'm not sure if I do yet. Can I check my understanding? Did you mean, when you said > in reality their pay is fair for the responsibility it's everyone else who is underpaid that train drivers and pilots are fairly paid, whereas everyone else is underpaid?
      • nostrebored 11mo ago
        You don’t get it because it doesn’t make sense. People’s understanding of money is horrible.
      • danaris 11mo ago
        The "everyone else" is not meant to be read literally. Many people are well-paid, or even overpaid. CEOs, for instance. It's just that most people, in most common professions, are underpaid. It only makes sense to talk about a blanket statement like that being a "contradiction" when someone is attempting to speak in the language of formal logic or detailed argument, not colloquial speech.
        • tome 11mo ago
          That's fine, then the response I was looking for is simply "I didn't mean literally everyone else, I just meant simply 'most people, in most common professions, are underpaid'". That's a perfectly valid point of view. Then I would have replied that, despite perhaps being true, I don't how it's relevant to the question of whether it's fair to pay train drivers and pilots the same.
• richbell 11mo ago
  > Hang on a minute. How do you square your claim that it's as it should be that train drivers can be paid as much as airline pilots, with your claim that everyone else is underpaid, including, presumably, airline pilots What is inconsistent about those two things? You can simultaneously believe that train drivers and airline pilots deserve to be paid more.
  • tome 11mo ago
    > You can simultaneously believe that train drivers and airline pilots deserve to be paid more. But that's not what noir_lord thinks. He/she specifically said > their pay is fair for the responsibility it's everyone else who is underpaid [my emphasis] which implies that train drivers are currently paid the correct amount.
    • piva00 11mo ago
      It doesn't imply anything, they explicitly said they think it's fair: > how "overpaid" train drivers are when in reality their pay is fair for the responsibility it's everyone else who is underpaid You are the one who is implying something.
      • tome 11mo ago
        > You are the one who is implying something. Maybe I am, so let's stick to exactly what noir_lord said > > Train drivers can be paid as much as aircraft pilots > that's as it should be I understand this to mean that it is fair that train drivers are paid as much as airline pilots. > in reality their [train drivers'] pay is fair for the responsibility it's everyone else who is underpaid I understand this to mean that train drivers are paid fairly, and everyone else, including pilots, are underpaid, i.e. it is not fair that airline pilots don't earn more than they currently do, i.e. as much as train drivers, from which I conclude that it is not fair that train drivers can be paid as much as aircraft pilots, in contradiction to the first claim. Where have I gone wrong?
  • universa1 11mo ago
    As payment is very much a "relative" problem, giving everyone else more, means essentially giving train drivers less.
• trial3 11mo ago
  Hang on a minute. How do you square your claim that it’s as it should be that none of us crabs should be in the bucket, with your claim that including, the crab closest to the edge of the bucket, presumably, should be climbing out of it?
  • tome 11mo ago
    Sorry, what? EDIT: Oh, I think I understand what you mean. If I've got my understanding correct then my response is that noir_lord said that one of the crabs shouldn't be climbing out: > their pay is fair for the responsibility