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This is what happens when you ignore basic science and say vaccines that have worked for decades don't work, and then convince 25% of the USA into believing th

by EasyMark 11mo ago

This is what happens when you ignore basic science and say vaccines that have worked for decades don't work, and then convince 25% of the USA into believing that it's the politically correct stance to take on the topic.

vacct 11mo ago
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- add-sub-mul-div 11mo ago
  Just because you hadn't heard of it before 2020 doesn't mean it was brand new. I'll never understand how the party that's famously against government red tape got away with manipulating its base to be against a reasonable streamlining of said red tape, once it was appropriate to do so.
  - vacct 11mo ago
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    - lawlessone 11mo ago
      The covid one. Why cant you use your real account, not one you made half an hour ago, to ask these things?
      - jojobas 11mo ago
        Well it's the point isn't it? It wasn't new, but unlike classic vaccines there wasn't a decades safety data. Manufacturers knew it and demanded to be exempt from normal vaccine injury schemes, governments agreed and introduced mandates. My wife and I got the shots as soon as we could, she got a kidney complication, like quite a few people. Too bad, says govt. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002962925000011 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000296292...
        estearum 11mo ago
        There were decades of safety data when previous vaccines came out? Anyway: 1. All vaccines have liability protection. 2. You could know of literally 10 people who had significant adverse effects (which you don't) and, given the scale of vaccine rollout, it would still be mathematically safer than pretty much every drug on the market. Sorry, but you've been successfully lied to on this topic.
        jojobas 11mo ago
        The protection terms were more comprehensive for Covid vaccines, with shorter compensation claim terms. The vendors themselves didn't trust the new vaccines the same as old one, why should anyone else. With previous vaccines, while they were new, there were no mandates. "Pretty much any drug of the market" is a big stretch, and there is no mandate attached to those drugs.
        estearum 11mo ago
        Not sure where you're commenting from, but there were no mandates in the US. > The vendors themselves didn't trust the new vaccines the same as old one, why should anyone else. Not sure what "didn't trust the new vaccines the same as the old one" is supposed to mean. It's a totally different drug with a totally different body of evidence. The pharma companies trusted them in that their high-quality, gigantic clinical trials came back with some of the best safety and efficacy data we've ever seen in any drug trial ever. > "Pretty much any drug of the market" is a big stretch No, it's actually not. Even the most "common" serious adverse effects are so rare that the clinical trials would've needed to be orders of magnitude larger than the largest clinical trials ever conducted in order to detect them. This has held true even scaled to billions of doses.
        Izkata 11mo ago
        > Not sure where you're commenting from, but there were no mandates in the US. Oh yeah there were: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_mandates_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_mandates_... In particular: > In September 2021, the employees of all federally-funded Medicaid and Medicare-certified health care facilities, and Head Start program facilities, were required to be vaccinated, as ordered through the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).[33][34][31] Companies with more than 100 employees could either require vaccination for all (and give their workers four hours' paid time off for their vaccination appointments); or require any unvaccinated employees to wear masks and be tested weekly for COVID-19, according to an Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) Emergency Temporary Standard.[35][36] These two policies together —federally-funded healthcare facilities and large companies— would apply to 100 million workers and were scheduled to take effect on January 4, 2022.[32] The healthcare one happened, while the OSHA one went through multiple appeals before they abandoned it (details on the page). Biden even went on record telling companies to start implementing it in preparation for when they got through the appeal.
      - renewiltord 11mo ago
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    - protocolture 11mo ago
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      - kingkawn 11mo ago
        Too far.
        renewiltord 11mo ago
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        protocolture 11mo ago
        They earnestly want you and your children to die.
        kingkawn 11mo ago
        The same logic they’re using to excuse their bloodthirsty dreams. You are exactly like them.
dboreham 11mo ago
Remember: everything you see that seems odd is in service of someone's business model.
- BobaFloutist 11mo ago
  Nah, some people are definitely evil or crazy for the sheer love of the game.
wakawaka28 11mo ago
I don't think the skeptics question whether these particular vaccines prevent disease. The question is whether they have other harmful effects, especially when bundled together in a broad-spectrum product to vaccinate against 30+ diseases (or whatever).

vacct 11mo ago

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add-sub-mul-div 11mo ago
Just because you hadn't heard of it before 2020 doesn't mean it was brand new. I'll never understand how the party that's famously against government red tape got away with manipulating its base to be against a reasonable streamlining of said red tape, once it was appropriate to do so.
- vacct 11mo ago
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  - lawlessone 11mo ago
    The covid one. Why cant you use your real account, not one you made half an hour ago, to ask these things?
    - jojobas 11mo ago
      Well it's the point isn't it? It wasn't new, but unlike classic vaccines there wasn't a decades safety data. Manufacturers knew it and demanded to be exempt from normal vaccine injury schemes, governments agreed and introduced mandates. My wife and I got the shots as soon as we could, she got a kidney complication, like quite a few people. Too bad, says govt. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002962925000011 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000296292...
      - estearum 11mo ago
        There were decades of safety data when previous vaccines came out? Anyway: 1. All vaccines have liability protection. 2. You could know of literally 10 people who had significant adverse effects (which you don't) and, given the scale of vaccine rollout, it would still be mathematically safer than pretty much every drug on the market. Sorry, but you've been successfully lied to on this topic.
        jojobas 11mo ago
        The protection terms were more comprehensive for Covid vaccines, with shorter compensation claim terms. The vendors themselves didn't trust the new vaccines the same as old one, why should anyone else. With previous vaccines, while they were new, there were no mandates. "Pretty much any drug of the market" is a big stretch, and there is no mandate attached to those drugs.
        estearum 11mo ago
        Not sure where you're commenting from, but there were no mandates in the US. > The vendors themselves didn't trust the new vaccines the same as old one, why should anyone else. Not sure what "didn't trust the new vaccines the same as the old one" is supposed to mean. It's a totally different drug with a totally different body of evidence. The pharma companies trusted them in that their high-quality, gigantic clinical trials came back with some of the best safety and efficacy data we've ever seen in any drug trial ever. > "Pretty much any drug of the market" is a big stretch No, it's actually not. Even the most "common" serious adverse effects are so rare that the clinical trials would've needed to be orders of magnitude larger than the largest clinical trials ever conducted in order to detect them. This has held true even scaled to billions of doses.
        Izkata 11mo ago
        > Not sure where you're commenting from, but there were no mandates in the US. Oh yeah there were: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_mandates_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_mandates_... In particular: > In September 2021, the employees of all federally-funded Medicaid and Medicare-certified health care facilities, and Head Start program facilities, were required to be vaccinated, as ordered through the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).[33][34][31] Companies with more than 100 employees could either require vaccination for all (and give their workers four hours' paid time off for their vaccination appointments); or require any unvaccinated employees to wear masks and be tested weekly for COVID-19, according to an Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) Emergency Temporary Standard.[35][36] These two policies together —federally-funded healthcare facilities and large companies— would apply to 100 million workers and were scheduled to take effect on January 4, 2022.[32] The healthcare one happened, while the OSHA one went through multiple appeals before they abandoned it (details on the page). Biden even went on record telling companies to start implementing it in preparation for when they got through the appeal.
    - renewiltord 11mo ago
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  - protocolture 11mo ago
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    - kingkawn 11mo ago
      Too far.
      - renewiltord 11mo ago
        [flagged]
      - protocolture 11mo ago
        They earnestly want you and your children to die.
        kingkawn 11mo ago
        The same logic they’re using to excuse their bloodthirsty dreams. You are exactly like them.

dboreham 11mo ago

Remember: everything you see that seems odd is in service of someone's business model.

BobaFloutist 11mo ago
Nah, some people are definitely evil or crazy for the sheer love of the game.

wakawaka28 11mo ago

I don't think the skeptics question whether these particular vaccines prevent disease. The question is whether they have other harmful effects, especially when bundled together in a broad-spectrum product to vaccinate against 30+ diseases (or whatever).