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Wow, what recourse is available in this situation? None? Does this mean that 100% they are going to now be blackmailed to get their domain back?

dj2stein9 14y ago
Usually there's a grace period where the owner can still renew it, and before anyone else can. If the domain actually expired 60 or 90 days ago then they're probably hosed.
- calvinlough 14y ago
  According to WHOIS, the expiration date is 29-Sep-2012 14:50:55 UTC.
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  - dj2stein9 14y ago
    But it's still registered to Ryan Dahl/Joyent, so it probably can still be renewed.
- yoda_sl 14y ago
  Yes you are correct about that... It happened to me once on an old domain and I was able to get it back in the following week after expiration but I don't recall seeing a parked page during that period of time. Doing a quick Whois for nodejs.org show that the name is expiring today: Domain ID:D157222203-LROR Domain Name:NODEJS.ORG Created On:29-Sep-2009 14:50:55 UTC Last Updated On:20-Sep-2011 00:04:23 UTC Expiration Date:29-Sep-2012 14:50:55 UTC Sponsoring Registrar:eNom, Inc. (R39-LROR) Status:OK Ouch!
  - Karunamon 14y ago
    eNom does all kinds of shady shenanigans with domain renewals. There are stories of names going up on their auction block the moment the registration expires (meaning someone has to pay a greatly inflated amount of cash to reclaim the name)
    - larrys 14y ago
      "eNom does all kinds of shady shenanigans with domain renewals." This wasn't done by enom. It was done by the reseller, namecheap. Their DNS is in the record (and it points to a page controlled by namecheap).
    - davidandgoliath 14y ago
      Unlikely. As much as enom sucks I don't think one could misconstrue any of their ineptitude as evil. They do however have the redemption period at inflated prices, but I've never heard of them moving an expired domain to immediate auction. [citation please]
      - Karunamon 14y ago
        http://www.ripoffreport.com/Search/Enom.aspx http://www.ripoffreport.com/Search/Enom.aspx Start here.
        davidandgoliath 14y ago
        None of those reference enom directly -- only resellers of enom. That's like saying I bought a widget off amazon & chase paymentech is fraudulent as a result.
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sturadnidge 14y ago
Shouldn't be anything to worry about - here’s how the domain expiry process works. 1. Domain ‘expires’, and enters a 40 day grace period. I have read things that imply this can vary from registrar to registrar, but it seems pretty standard from what I have seen. 2. After the grace period, it enters a 30 day redemption period. Again, apparently this can vary, but I have yet to see it (admittedly I have only looked at a small number of domains) 3. Finally, when the redemption period expires, a 5 day ‘pending deletion’ period is entered. Between 11am and 2pm Pacific Time on the 6th day of pending deletion, the registrars theoretically start dropping the names from the ICANN database. It is kind of odd that such a domain would only be renewed annually... it's hardly speculative!
- chinmoy 14y ago
  What you say is correct. I'll chip in a bit on "registrar to registrar". In case of Namecheap,renewing a expired domain is just like renewing a regular domain. While other registrars charge re-activation fee, Namecheap has no additional fees. So, Ryan can just renew the domain instantly whenever this comes into his attention.
  - larrys 14y ago
    The "registrar" of this name is actually enom. In this particular case namecheap is merely a reseller for enom. Important to point out here that namecheap which is much touted on HN as being so great to deal with is the organization that made the decision to take this domain offline - not enom.com the registrar.
    - cstejerean 14y ago
      When people fail to respond to expiration notices, taking the domain offline on the expiration date seems like a good way to bring it to their attention.
      - larrys 14y ago
        Off the top I wonder if an idea might be to do the following, keeping in mind that the registrar would charge extra but ultimately it would be to the registrants benefit and less disruptive if the normal ways (that have no cost) were interupted: - Send postal notice (some do this already) - Send express or certified letter (charging up front to be notified this way) - Make phone call - Send email to any contact addresses on the website I would like to point out also that this is a reason also why "privacy" on whois is a bad idea in some cases. In this case it is fairly easy for a third party to get in touch with the joyent contact (someone might know him or have an alternative means of contacting him - even by phone if not the whois phone number). If contact info is protected by privacy that becomes a different issue (you would have to have more specific knowledge).
chinmoy 14y ago
Nope, Namecheap doesn't practice the shady conditions practiced by other registrars. The expired domian can be renewed just like a regular domain. No extra fees and fuss involved.

dj2stein9 14y ago

Usually there's a grace period where the owner can still renew it, and before anyone else can. If the domain actually expired 60 or 90 days ago then they're probably hosed.

calvinlough 14y ago
According to WHOIS, the expiration date is 29-Sep-2012 14:50:55 UTC.
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- dj2stein9 14y ago
  But it's still registered to Ryan Dahl/Joyent, so it probably can still be renewed.
yoda_sl 14y ago
Yes you are correct about that... It happened to me once on an old domain and I was able to get it back in the following week after expiration but I don't recall seeing a parked page during that period of time. Doing a quick Whois for nodejs.org show that the name is expiring today: Domain ID:D157222203-LROR Domain Name:NODEJS.ORG Created On:29-Sep-2009 14:50:55 UTC Last Updated On:20-Sep-2011 00:04:23 UTC Expiration Date:29-Sep-2012 14:50:55 UTC Sponsoring Registrar:eNom, Inc. (R39-LROR) Status:OK Ouch!
- Karunamon 14y ago
  eNom does all kinds of shady shenanigans with domain renewals. There are stories of names going up on their auction block the moment the registration expires (meaning someone has to pay a greatly inflated amount of cash to reclaim the name)
  - larrys 14y ago
    "eNom does all kinds of shady shenanigans with domain renewals." This wasn't done by enom. It was done by the reseller, namecheap. Their DNS is in the record (and it points to a page controlled by namecheap).
  - davidandgoliath 14y ago
    Unlikely. As much as enom sucks I don't think one could misconstrue any of their ineptitude as evil. They do however have the redemption period at inflated prices, but I've never heard of them moving an expired domain to immediate auction. [citation please]
    - Karunamon 14y ago
      http://www.ripoffreport.com/Search/Enom.aspx http://www.ripoffreport.com/Search/Enom.aspx Start here.
      - davidandgoliath 14y ago
        None of those reference enom directly -- only resellers of enom. That's like saying I bought a widget off amazon & chase paymentech is fraudulent as a result.

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sturadnidge 14y ago

Shouldn't be anything to worry about - here’s how the domain expiry process works. 1. Domain ‘expires’, and enters a 40 day grace period. I have read things that imply this can vary from registrar to registrar, but it seems pretty standard from what I have seen. 2. After the grace period, it enters a 30 day redemption period. Again, apparently this can vary, but I have yet to see it (admittedly I have only looked at a small number of domains) 3. Finally, when the redemption period expires, a 5 day ‘pending deletion’ period is entered. Between 11am and 2pm Pacific Time on the 6th day of pending deletion, the registrars theoretically start dropping the names from the ICANN database. It is kind of odd that such a domain would only be renewed annually... it's hardly speculative!

chinmoy 14y ago
What you say is correct. I'll chip in a bit on "registrar to registrar". In case of Namecheap,renewing a expired domain is just like renewing a regular domain. While other registrars charge re-activation fee, Namecheap has no additional fees. So, Ryan can just renew the domain instantly whenever this comes into his attention.
- larrys 14y ago
  The "registrar" of this name is actually enom. In this particular case namecheap is merely a reseller for enom. Important to point out here that namecheap which is much touted on HN as being so great to deal with is the organization that made the decision to take this domain offline - not enom.com the registrar.
  - cstejerean 14y ago
    When people fail to respond to expiration notices, taking the domain offline on the expiration date seems like a good way to bring it to their attention.
    - larrys 14y ago
      Off the top I wonder if an idea might be to do the following, keeping in mind that the registrar would charge extra but ultimately it would be to the registrants benefit and less disruptive if the normal ways (that have no cost) were interupted: - Send postal notice (some do this already) - Send express or certified letter (charging up front to be notified this way) - Make phone call - Send email to any contact addresses on the website I would like to point out also that this is a reason also why "privacy" on whois is a bad idea in some cases. In this case it is fairly easy for a third party to get in touch with the joyent contact (someone might know him or have an alternative means of contacting him - even by phone if not the whois phone number). If contact info is protected by privacy that becomes a different issue (you would have to have more specific knowledge).

chinmoy 14y ago

Nope, Namecheap doesn't practice the shady conditions practiced by other registrars. The expired domian can be renewed just like a regular domain. No extra fees and fuss involved.