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Trying two dozen different psychedelics
- homeonthemtn 11mo agoIt's unfortunate that the path of psychedelic normalcy just led to people more publicly bragging about surviving one chemical or another like fucked up merit badges. A single small dose of any given psychedelic can be enough to generate new mental benchmarks to process the world with (love, empathy, timelessness, selflessness, etc) The drug itself is often irrelevant to the experience and it's impact, but we've unfortunately dragged along the ego of the underworld where each dose needs to be bigger and more exotic for bragging rights. In that light it's just another drug, and quite sad in my opinion.
- woleium 11mo agowhat’s more sad and worrying are the folks doing themselves lasting damage by doing these things in the wrong situation (mentally or physically) and without appropriate guidance.
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- tmn 11mo agoI’d venture to assume the downvotes are simply because you’re taking a relatively neutral topic and mapping it onto a polarized political subject
- ux266478 11mo ago> Like dosing on ketamine then getting up on stage and making Nazi salutes. Elon Musk is a clown, but nobody on a dose of ketamine is doing anything, least of all making coherent gestures and political grandstands. Drug naive people should avoid having any degree of commentary on them, you always say the most ridiculous things.
- brookst 11mo agoPeople don't take K and go dancing?
- ux266478 11mo agoGo dancing? No. You can take ket in the vicinity of dancing, at an event where dancing is the main attraction, but the nature of the drug makes participating on the dance floor a non-starter. "Ketamine is killing dance floors" was a very common sentiment some 8 years ago. Here, have a nice video of Aphex Twin on a light dose: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqega6a2g6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqega6a2g6A
- backscratches 11mo agoThat video shows far from a light dose. People regularly dance, talk, act normal on low doses. Your post is strangely confident and inaccurate.
- ux266478 11mo agoIf you have enough coordination to walk to the store, no that's absolutely a low dose of ketamine. What you are asserting is that Elon Musk's behavior is consistent with any dose past the threshold, context that I think you may have overlooked. If you think that holds, I have nothing to say to you dude.
- brookst 11mo agoIs this a “no true ketamnine user” fallacy? Not everyone is after the k hole every time. Plenty of people take doses that allow activity.
- Glamklo 11mo agoWhile Musk is one of the richest aholes on the whole planet, i don't think its Ketamine who made Musk do shitty things. I think Musk alone is just a really depressing ahole who has no longer any social feedback due to his position.
- more_corn 11mo agoHe seems to lack the ability to admit he was wrong. (And smart as you might be, nobody is immune to error). He wanted to port the PayPal production stack to windows. He refused to listen to reason and bulled ahead. It was about this time that the revolt and ouster happened. Could you imagine trying to run a production stack on win in the early 2000s? (Or ever) had he got his way we wouldn’t even be talking about him because he would have failed and disappeared into obscurity.
- getpost 11mo ago> Like dosing on ketamine then getting up on stage and making Nazi salutes. It's much more likely to be the Adderall. "One reason that narcissists so commonly abuse drugs and alcohol is because the substances amplify their feelings of grandiosity and invulnerability. More so, narcissists often get stuck in the cycle of drug abuse because drugs readily cause the brain to deny there is a problem." https://illinoisrecoverycenter.com/narcissism-and-addiction/ https://illinoisrecoverycenter.com/narcissism-and-addiction/ Impulsivity mediates the association between narcissism and substance-related problems beyond the degree of substance use: a longitudinal observational study "A grandiose self-enhancement strategy should be reflected in motives of self-enhancement, such as increasing confidence through substance use." https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12888-024-05718-y https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12... Personality Disorders, Narcotics, and Stimulants; Relationship in Iranian Male Substance Dependents Population "correlation between stimulant use and histrionic personality disorder (P < 0.001) and antisocial and narcissistic personality disorders (P < 0.05)" https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4553170/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4553170/
- ux266478 11mo agoWhen I was a younger lad, I'd take something like 75 mics of an acid analogue and just have a normal night out. As juvenile male simians are want to do, sometimes that involved getting into a fight. Turns out that is uniquely fun on psychs, even when you lose badly. A couple years later, I took up dropping acid in the dead of night and terrorizing packs of coyotes that prowled the outskirts of town, that was also really fun. Psychs are just drugs like any other. I think people get too wrapped up in the mysticism of them, or think the debilitating effects of heroic dosing is unique to them. How many uncs in the chat can't smoke weed anymore because it makes them have an awful time emotionally? How do you think dabbing a gram of wax would work out?
- zingababba 11mo agoLol dude, lets hang out some time.
- DonHopkins 11mo agoIt's like a psychedelic hot dog eating contest! The Great Smoke Off https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCdCfJ3B4ok https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCdCfJ3B4ok
- PaulHoule 11mo agoI almost saw this movie last night https://thefilmstage.com/john-lilly-and-the-earth-coincidence-control-office-review-an-illuminating-work-of-cultural-archaeology/ https://thefilmstage.com/john-lilly-and-the-earth-coincidenc... but we had a visitor at home and enough to deal with. I read Lilly's books like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Center_of_the_Cyclone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Center_of_the_Cyclone and they were a bit of a hoot as he nearly killed himself multiple times injecting LSD and then testified that LSD was perfectly safe. I've known a few people, all male, who took LSD and developed a sort of "messiah complex" where they felt not a general spiritual "sacrament" experience but rather the opposite and some kind of hypertrophy of narcissism like the 'False Self' that Kohut warns about. The article mentions 2-C-T-2 which I got in Europe which I understand was the closest people got to a commercially viable psychedelic in that it has a nice stimulant effect (easy walk from the German border to Děčín) and very nice visuals but seems to have little cosmic element so you are sitting on the toilet and feeling like a constipated sinner and that's about it. Myself I don't have a lot of interest in LSD and company these days because for a while every time I take it it makes me aware of how I have many more nerve endings in my gut than I have on my skin so I feel turned inside out which isn't quite a "bad trip" but isn't very good either. Best thing that happened the last time was I laid down in the leaf litter and watched a pair of snakes having sex but I later picked four ticks off myself.
- homeonthemtn 11mo agoHypertrophy of narcissism. I needed this phrase 20 years ago. Very well put.
- alehlopeh 11mo agoWhy would anyone inject LSD? Skin contact with a few micrograms is enough to trip.
- PaulHoule 11mo agoBeats me. The only dosage forms I've seen are blotter and sugar cubes, maybe some of the blotter diffuses through the lining of your mouth if you keep it under your tongue but it also works great if you just swallow it -- it's very orally available. Lilly though had a bad relationship with drugs, he crashed his bike when he was high on ketamine long before ketamine was fashionable. In the early 1990s accounts of drug experiences on Erowid were mostly positive ("I smoked weed and got high and had a good time") but by the early 2000s it started to look like anti-drug propaganda but I think it was a lower quality tranche of users [1] and you started seeing negative ones ("I took a fistful of random pills, went out on the street, lost motor control and was laying flat on the ground, everybody was really sympathetic until I rolled over and a huge baggie of pills came out of my pocket, then I got kicked by a cop.") [1] y'all know I am not inclined to believe in natural hierarchies but I think that early adopters of most things are "better" than later adopters however you define "better"
- fnord77 11mo agoIt's not fucked up to want to maximize results while minimizing risks. The drug itself might actually be relevant. I suspect far more people per 100k have had negative reactions to say DMT than mushrooms, due to speed of onset, other receptors hit, etc.
- butlike 11mo agoPeople don't like to get lost. At least with shrooms/LSD, the reality doesn't melt away around you. I've heard that happens on DMT, which is...unsettling
- trallnag 11mo agoWhat do you mean by mental benchmarks? LSD and the like are just drugs. Petty weird to make them more than that. What are they in your opinion? I like taking LSD, but I do NOT like it as something "holy" or "otherworldly".
- backscratches 11mo ago> LSD and the like are just drugs. And near death experiences are just experiences and miracles/murders are just events. Some people are not spiritual/mystical, others are.
- thinkingtoilet 11mo agoLike everything in the world today, there is a lot of nonsense, pseudoscience (and actual science), influencer garbage, etc... around psychedelics. However, if you are in a good mental space, and in a comfortable and safe location, and the opportunity comes up, you should absolutely have a psychedelic experience if you can. It is one of the pleasures of life. Start with mushrooms. Be sure to start slow, you can always take more, you can never take less. And if you do take more, don't double your original does, that always gets people in trouble.
- the_sleaze_ 11mo agoEverything in moderation. Also don't forget you can couple your psychedelics with valium. (This isn't medical advice)
- butlike 11mo agoNah, that's no good. I feel like knowing you can "abort a trip" with valium subconsciously primes you for a bad trip. If something difficult comes up, you can always move. Usually I find that's usually akin to the group determining that walking across the park path to the other side has 'better vibes.'
- y-curious 11mo agoAgreed with everything except starting with mushrooms. I find them wholly unpleasant on the stomach, difficult to dose and quite intense. If I was recommending psychedelics to people on the internet, which I totally am not, I would recommend LSD. I know I’m in the minority.
- butlike 11mo agoPeople always used to say 1/8 of shrooms was a dose. I always thought that was far too much. 1/2 of an eighth (1/16??) is where I like to be with shrooms. Also, doing them in friendly company helps. Set and setting and all that
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- cannonpr 11mo agoThere is something I don’t entirely understand about psychedelic use. While it might end up being temporary, there is a lot of data that it alters neural structures in fundamental and relatively poorly understood ways. Consciousness itself is very poorly understood. Why take a chemical that is a bit like rolling the dice on how it’s going to modify fundamentally what you are? If you are struggling with severe depression or anxiety or otherwise, I get it… but in most other cases, why? I post this as someone deeply curious about trying them, yet my mind and intellect are things I cherish when it comes to my enjoyment of life.
- JimmyBuckets 11mo agoI think your definition of "understood" is too narrow and perhaps that is your challenge. People have been taking many of these substances (e.g. psilocybin, THC, DMT, etc.) for thousands of years. Their qualitative, long-term effects are extremely well understood by the cultures and peoples that use them. My assumption is that you are WEIRD (forgive me if I am wrong), and the tendency we have is to disregard any data that wasn't created in a Western lab.
- JSR_FDED 11mo agoJust in case… The acronym WEIRD stands for Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich, and Democratic, a term used in psychology and behavioral sciences to describe the populations that have historically been the subject of research.
- turnsout 11mo agoTIL, thanks!
- DonHopkins 11mo agoOk if I call you COUT? ;)
- saulpw 11mo agoYou certainly don't have to! But yet for some reason you're deeply curious. Why?
- throwawaypqpqp 11mo agoI’ve done ibogaine recreationally at lowish doses if anyone wants to ask me about it. I don’t think it gets enough attention. Maybe because there’s some danger.
- awithrow 11mo agoI'm less familiar with it. All I really know is that it was on the list of natural medicines that was decriminalized in Colorado. What is the experience like?
- throwawaypqpqp 11mo agoApologies in advance, I’m on mobile. I’ve been taking doses of around 600mg ibogaine TA, every 6 months or so, bought online at the first place that comes up in google. You can experience cardiac arrest from taking it, which will quickly kill you, and I based this (IMO) safe dosage on some papers I read. Don’t consider me an authority! And there’s also certain gene mutations that can raise or lower your risk of heart problems, related to how you metabolize ibogaine/noribogaine. (I have also tried microdosing, based on another paper I read about a woman with bipolar depression. But I don’t have much to report there.) It’s tough to describe any altered state. But for someone who’s thinking it’s like acid or mushrooms, note that it’s not really fun or pleasant. Your heart beats slower and softer, your body feels weak and uncoordinated, and there’s little to do besides rest. But the mind is so, so active. And it’s like an excavator. Just pulling things from wherever and throwing them into your mind’s eye. I don’t like therapy and find it tedious and unhelpful, but this feels like years of therapy squished into a 12+ hour trip. Has helped me a lot with my relationships, especially with my mom. You see a lot of yourself. What’s ugly, what’s beautiful, what’s neutral. You feel somehow distant from your problems but close to your “self”, which makes it more comfortable to face things. After it’s over there’s a glow and calm that lasts a while. Days, or weeks, or months sometimes. Sleep feels a little more restorative, laughs come a little easier, the dusty baseboards of the mind feel cleaner. So these are the effects of the lowish doses I’ve been taking. Some day in a safer environment I’d love to do a real full dose. But even at this “low” dose, it’s by far the most powerful drug I’ve ever taken, in a positive way.
- rsynnott 11mo agoI feel like _order_ would matter. Like, surely by #24 you're probably getting a bit bored.
- Aerbil313 11mo ago> A psychedelic medicine company Mindstate Design aims to precision engineer mental states in order to heal mental health problems such as depression. Their plan is to create combinations of chemicals that reliably produce the exact necessary healing states — without the “hit and miss” “heal or bad trip” randomness of individual psychedelics. > And to discover these they use a LLM-based platform that ingests tens of thousands trip reports online and combines with receptor/chemical interaction data (including affinities). That's wild.