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It's an Apple problem, because with libre tools you can run your own software to circumvent this law.

j45 1y ago
The majority of apple and android users can't run their own libre software, until libre software is as easy and seamless to use as the comparables.
- Aachen 1y ago
  My (grand)parents like their FOSS launcher, gallery, and chat client just fine. I've had zero questions about how Signal works, but a bunch about how to deal with the OS' pre-installed garbage spawning notifications about this or that update. They can't tell the difference between an advertisement pushed by some commercial app they want and a smartwatch firmware update notification From my POV, it's the commercial software that has fundamental usability issues due to misaligned incentives (not completely different either, but not as aligned as FOSS). They just have a better lobby and marketing budget. Chrome didn't become this ubiquitous on mobile by having to be downloaded from f-droid, but by making a deal that device manufacturers cannot refuse
  - rob_c 1y ago
    tell me, did they install and set this up themselves or you?
    - catlikesshrimp 1y ago
      Did you have to state that as a question? (I obviously install even FB and Watsapp in there) It's unthinkable to setup a phone with whatsapp and fb here. When meta had a BGP problem, they (the older ones) asked me why there was "no internet"
      - rob_c 1y ago
        The fact you're answering rather than ignoring shows the problem I'm very sorry to say
    - Aachen 1y ago
      The person above said "run", not "install". I don't build my own car either. But in this case it's more of a marketing/discoverability problem than a knowledge gap on setting it up because it's nearly as simple as using them Idk if it's just me but I do hate these suggestive questions. If you've got something to state, spit it out
bnastic 1y ago
You can run your own software, but if asked by UK authorities to provide the keys/password and you don't comply you face prison time.
- amelius 1y ago
  You can safely leave it to FOSS to implement ways around that.
  - op00to 1y ago
    How does FOSS prevent someone from pulling your teeth out with a wrench to get your passphrase?
    - fastball 1y ago
      Rust solves this.
    - amelius 1y ago
      You give them access to a fake account.
    - mistercheph 1y ago
      Although effective, this particular technique does not scale very well. Even if the UK had 100,000 kidnapping wrench torturers, it would take ~2 years for them to get through to pulling everyone in the UK’s teeth.
      - Aachen 1y ago
        Fortunately for those who like laws having an effect, that's not factoring in the deterrence aspect of the first (few) toothpull event(s) It's the law that's the issue. Avoiding enforcement only works until people actually care to start enforcing. There's also enough examples in history of people taking matters into their own hands if they disagree with something, doubly so if there's a law against it or something else makes them feel righteous. If you do bad in the eyes of the public (or its prosecutor), good luck swimming against the tide

j45 1y ago

The majority of apple and android users can't run their own libre software, until libre software is as easy and seamless to use as the comparables.

Aachen 1y ago
My (grand)parents like their FOSS launcher, gallery, and chat client just fine. I've had zero questions about how Signal works, but a bunch about how to deal with the OS' pre-installed garbage spawning notifications about this or that update. They can't tell the difference between an advertisement pushed by some commercial app they want and a smartwatch firmware update notification From my POV, it's the commercial software that has fundamental usability issues due to misaligned incentives (not completely different either, but not as aligned as FOSS). They just have a better lobby and marketing budget. Chrome didn't become this ubiquitous on mobile by having to be downloaded from f-droid, but by making a deal that device manufacturers cannot refuse
- rob_c 1y ago
  tell me, did they install and set this up themselves or you?
  - catlikesshrimp 1y ago
    Did you have to state that as a question? (I obviously install even FB and Watsapp in there) It's unthinkable to setup a phone with whatsapp and fb here. When meta had a BGP problem, they (the older ones) asked me why there was "no internet"
    - rob_c 1y ago
      The fact you're answering rather than ignoring shows the problem I'm very sorry to say
  - Aachen 1y ago
    The person above said "run", not "install". I don't build my own car either. But in this case it's more of a marketing/discoverability problem than a knowledge gap on setting it up because it's nearly as simple as using them Idk if it's just me but I do hate these suggestive questions. If you've got something to state, spit it out

bnastic 1y ago

You can run your own software, but if asked by UK authorities to provide the keys/password and you don't comply you face prison time.

amelius 1y ago
You can safely leave it to FOSS to implement ways around that.
- op00to 1y ago
  How does FOSS prevent someone from pulling your teeth out with a wrench to get your passphrase?
  - fastball 1y ago
    Rust solves this.
  - amelius 1y ago
    You give them access to a fake account.
  - mistercheph 1y ago
    Although effective, this particular technique does not scale very well. Even if the UK had 100,000 kidnapping wrench torturers, it would take ~2 years for them to get through to pulling everyone in the UK’s teeth.
    - Aachen 1y ago
      Fortunately for those who like laws having an effect, that's not factoring in the deterrence aspect of the first (few) toothpull event(s) It's the law that's the issue. Avoiding enforcement only works until people actually care to start enforcing. There's also enough examples in history of people taking matters into their own hands if they disagree with something, doubly so if there's a law against it or something else makes them feel righteous. If you do bad in the eyes of the public (or its prosecutor), good luck swimming against the tide