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Reminder to millennials: Socialism in real life = Biggest Government, Biggest Tech monopoly, forced uniformity, no self-agency, no authenticity for anyone who

Reminder to millennials: Socialism in real life = Biggest Government, Biggest Tech monopoly, forced uniformity, no self-agency, no authenticity for anyone who slightly disagrees with any aspect of the agenda, etc. Source: I fled Venezuela because I lived in it.

lm28469 11mo ago
No offence but Venezuela is a political meme and one of the most corrupt country out there lol, given your natural resources you should be doing way better regardless of where the government leans. Socialism brought a lot of good things all over Europe in the 1900s
- svieira 11mo ago
  > Socialism brought a lot of good things all over Europe in the 1900s Just ask Poland!
  - lm28469 11mo ago
    I forgot to mention that 280 iq individuals who think socialism = communism = USSR = gulags can refrain from commenting No wonder we can't have any serious discussions on these topics...
    - svieira 11mo ago
      Well, socialism also includes the National Socialists of various nations ... perhaps we should clarify our terms rather than using an ambiguous word?
    - hereme888 11mo ago
      My IQ is not 300, but it's sufficient to understand reality: - Union of Soviet Socialist Republics: operated under the Communist Party's centralized control, with state ownership of production, suppression of dissent, and looked more like communist authoritarianism than democratic socialism. - CCP, Cuba, North Korea: they call themselves socialists while being led by communist parties. - Democratic socialism like Sweden, Norway, Denmark: very different from the above.
  - _DeadFred_ 11mo ago
    You should see what the first large joint stock company, The East India Company, brought the nations it operated in.
- jimbokun 11mo ago
  Give me a definition of socialism that only includes the good things done in Western Europe and excludes all of the bad things that happened in Soviet Union, China, Venezuela etc.
  - hereme888 11mo ago
    Blowing pink powder in your face while telling you what you want to hear.
  - lm28469 11mo ago
    Give me a definition of capitalism that only include the good things... Almost as if it was a spectrum, almost as if it was a balancing act between two opposites Almost as if we should not think in term of black and white definitions of ideological systems that cannot be 100% implemented It really makes you think doesn't it ?
  - _DeadFred_ 11mo ago
    If we want to judge financial systems based on past examples look no further than the first large implementation of capitalism via a joint stock company, the East India Company. Capitalism at it's base and purest form leads to as much pain/horrible behavior as the socialism examples.
    - jimbokun 11mo ago
      Why are you changing the subject?
- hereme888 11mo ago
  Not offended. It is one of the most corrupt countries since socialism. It was thriving when I grew up there. But when you steal, oppress, and kill competent leaders because you resent them having more money than you, and give entire industries (steel, gold, petroleum) to the "workers" because they think collective thinking > a single phD who knows what he's doing, the industries rot and fail, like they did.
  - lm28469 11mo ago
    > give entire industries (steel, gold, petroleum) to the "workers" That's one way to put it, the other way to put it is that your corrupt government seized the industries and put their cronies in charge, which I would say is more accurate.
    - hereme888 11mo ago
      That's literally how socialism and communism works in real life. Radicals tell the masses what they want to hear, and then seize radical power, take their weapons, and force their will upon the people, while claiming it's for everyone's benefit. People who haven't witnessed it firsthand believe the insane pink-powder theory that "if I were in charge, I would be able to implement it correctly", daydreaming they are superior and able to handle dictator-level power. Why else would Carl Marx and others admit it has to be forced upon an unwilling population?
      - lm28469 11mo ago
        What you're describing is a mix of populism and plutocracy/kleptocracy/oligarchy, these can and do thrive under any type of political or economical system, they didn't wait for socialism to exist... and unless Putin and Trump are far left radical communists, they're implementing, in different ways, what you just described lmao.
        hereme888 11mo ago
        you can't philosophy reality away with your academic theories. This is why research has to be validated with real life results. It's basic scientific theory.
- dbrowes 11mo ago
  Pain and suffering, families thorn apart and blood of thousands of people are a meme to you? Fuck you, pull your head out of your ass

lm28469 11mo ago

No offence but Venezuela is a political meme and one of the most corrupt country out there lol, given your natural resources you should be doing way better regardless of where the government leans. Socialism brought a lot of good things all over Europe in the 1900s

svieira 11mo ago
> Socialism brought a lot of good things all over Europe in the 1900s Just ask Poland!
- lm28469 11mo ago
  I forgot to mention that 280 iq individuals who think socialism = communism = USSR = gulags can refrain from commenting No wonder we can't have any serious discussions on these topics...
  - svieira 11mo ago
    Well, socialism also includes the National Socialists of various nations ... perhaps we should clarify our terms rather than using an ambiguous word?
  - hereme888 11mo ago
    My IQ is not 300, but it's sufficient to understand reality: - Union of Soviet Socialist Republics: operated under the Communist Party's centralized control, with state ownership of production, suppression of dissent, and looked more like communist authoritarianism than democratic socialism. - CCP, Cuba, North Korea: they call themselves socialists while being led by communist parties. - Democratic socialism like Sweden, Norway, Denmark: very different from the above.
- _DeadFred_ 11mo ago
  You should see what the first large joint stock company, The East India Company, brought the nations it operated in.
jimbokun 11mo ago
Give me a definition of socialism that only includes the good things done in Western Europe and excludes all of the bad things that happened in Soviet Union, China, Venezuela etc.
- hereme888 11mo ago
  Blowing pink powder in your face while telling you what you want to hear.
- lm28469 11mo ago
  Give me a definition of capitalism that only include the good things... Almost as if it was a spectrum, almost as if it was a balancing act between two opposites Almost as if we should not think in term of black and white definitions of ideological systems that cannot be 100% implemented It really makes you think doesn't it ?
- _DeadFred_ 11mo ago
  If we want to judge financial systems based on past examples look no further than the first large implementation of capitalism via a joint stock company, the East India Company. Capitalism at it's base and purest form leads to as much pain/horrible behavior as the socialism examples.
  - jimbokun 11mo ago
    Why are you changing the subject?
hereme888 11mo ago
Not offended. It is one of the most corrupt countries since socialism. It was thriving when I grew up there. But when you steal, oppress, and kill competent leaders because you resent them having more money than you, and give entire industries (steel, gold, petroleum) to the "workers" because they think collective thinking > a single phD who knows what he's doing, the industries rot and fail, like they did.
- lm28469 11mo ago
  > give entire industries (steel, gold, petroleum) to the "workers" That's one way to put it, the other way to put it is that your corrupt government seized the industries and put their cronies in charge, which I would say is more accurate.
  - hereme888 11mo ago
    That's literally how socialism and communism works in real life. Radicals tell the masses what they want to hear, and then seize radical power, take their weapons, and force their will upon the people, while claiming it's for everyone's benefit. People who haven't witnessed it firsthand believe the insane pink-powder theory that "if I were in charge, I would be able to implement it correctly", daydreaming they are superior and able to handle dictator-level power. Why else would Carl Marx and others admit it has to be forced upon an unwilling population?
    - lm28469 11mo ago
      What you're describing is a mix of populism and plutocracy/kleptocracy/oligarchy, these can and do thrive under any type of political or economical system, they didn't wait for socialism to exist... and unless Putin and Trump are far left radical communists, they're implementing, in different ways, what you just described lmao.
      - hereme888 11mo ago
        you can't philosophy reality away with your academic theories. This is why research has to be validated with real life results. It's basic scientific theory.
dbrowes 11mo ago
Pain and suffering, families thorn apart and blood of thousands of people are a meme to you? Fuck you, pull your head out of your ass