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There will be consequences, but long term. Everyone at my startup hates MSFT products and Teams especially. We've talked about switching.

by elcritch 11mo ago

josfredo 11mo ago
Most people dislike their government, they however comply with it in the dimensions that matter.
- 0x696C6961 11mo ago
  The difference is that every time a new company is founded, it's a clean slate for which tools are used.
  - HPsquared 11mo ago
    You still need to play to the constraints of the market, which come in hard and soft varieties.
AdamN 11mo ago
lol you've 'talked' about switching. I'm really surprised that any startup would be on Teams in the first place. I get enterprises but for startups I would think other tools make more sense (Slack, etc...).
- SebFender 11mo ago
  Well said.
- latentsea 11mo ago
  The startup I work at uses Teams. It's the whole "Microsoft for startups" package deal they do means we're on all things Microsoft.
  - throwawaysleep 11mo ago
    Why "talked about switching" is irrelevant. If it is cheap enough, you will take it.
antiloper 11mo ago
Everyone hates teams, but every company uses it and will keep using it because it's bundled with office anyway.
- deleted 11mo ago
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- sidewndr46 11mo ago
  I thought they rebranded Teams to Copilot 365?
- Cthulhu_ 11mo ago
  And the Office package is a very attractive offering. $36 / user / month and they get managed emails, chat, office, SSO, cloud storage, Windows, etc - basically everything that used to be the domain of a sysadmin. The competitors are all fragmented; Google probably gets the closest but doesn't have a chat service like Slack, Teams or Discord and doesn't do hardware management as far as I'm aware unless you use Chromebooks.
  - fragmede 11mo ago
    > Google probably gets the closest but doesn't have a chat service like Slack Google is up to a dozen versions of chat, the current incarnation is called Google Meet which includes a video akak Zoom type service as well as a Slack-type chat service.
entropie 11mo ago
Yeah. I know this one. Its the same story since like 15+ years now.
- freehorse 11mo ago
  Well, with the windows 10 support ending, it is different now. To some extent staying on windows requires more effort than switching, which is an interesting place to be. I have "switched" people to macos or linux that before would not even bother and hear such stories everywhere. The linux ecosystem has matured and windows is no longer the easy/bugfree experience that was. Eg I tried to install linux and windows to some brand new hardware couple of years ago, linux worked out of the box while for windows I had to go troubleshooting mode and find/download/install drivers manually. 10-15 years ago or so it was always the opposite.
  - entropie 11mo ago
    > Eg I tried to install linux and windows to some brand new hardware couple of years ago, I realized this too. I recently installed a dual boot Fedora/Win11. The fedora installation was literally pressing 4 times "Next" and was done after 5 minutes. Windows took well over 1 hour (offline account) and installing drivers and taming edge & co was over 2 hours at the end.
StopDisinfo910 11mo ago
I don’t get the Teams hate. My experience is that document sharing and collaborative edition work insanely well with Office. Visio is fool proof and quality is ok even with a poor connection. The integration with outlook is perfect. The product ecosystem is great so it’s easy to get room booking and auto-connect. Plus, copilot is good at minutes and transcription. I can’t imagine going back to a time where I couldn’t just throw an excel file or ppt in a discussion and get collaborative editing straight away. At the price point, it’s pretty much unmatched in my experience. What would people rather use instead?
- binary132 11mo ago
  The only thing I really like about Teams is that the AI-optimized audio codec is the only video call audio that doesn’t cause some people’s voices to become physically painful to listen to.
- Spooky23 11mo ago
  Visio was built to be acquired by Microsoft. It was the best office family app pre-acquisition. Every subsequent release is worse than the one before it. Lucid is a better tool in every way.
  - jansper39 11mo ago
    Lucid is for a totally different purpose though.
- Mashimo 11mo ago
  Teams works fine for my limited needs. Though it feels sluggish, sometimes a chat or calendar takes 3 seconds to load.
  - jonbiggums22 11mo ago
    Even loading a command prompt or the calculator takes more than 3 seconds on Windows 11 so maybe they've just lowered the bar so much it passes internal testing.

There will be consequences, but long term. Everyone at my startup hates MSFT products and Teams especially. We've talked about switching.

josfredo 11mo ago

Most people dislike their government, they however comply with it in the dimensions that matter.

0x696C6961 11mo ago
The difference is that every time a new company is founded, it's a clean slate for which tools are used.
- HPsquared 11mo ago
  You still need to play to the constraints of the market, which come in hard and soft varieties.

AdamN 11mo ago

lol you've 'talked' about switching. I'm really surprised that any startup would be on Teams in the first place. I get enterprises but for startups I would think other tools make more sense (Slack, etc...).

SebFender 11mo ago
Well said.
latentsea 11mo ago
The startup I work at uses Teams. It's the whole "Microsoft for startups" package deal they do means we're on all things Microsoft.
- throwawaysleep 11mo ago
  Why "talked about switching" is irrelevant. If it is cheap enough, you will take it.

antiloper 11mo ago

Everyone hates teams, but every company uses it and will keep using it because it's bundled with office anyway.

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sidewndr46 11mo ago
I thought they rebranded Teams to Copilot 365?
Cthulhu_ 11mo ago
And the Office package is a very attractive offering. $36 / user / month and they get managed emails, chat, office, SSO, cloud storage, Windows, etc - basically everything that used to be the domain of a sysadmin. The competitors are all fragmented; Google probably gets the closest but doesn't have a chat service like Slack, Teams or Discord and doesn't do hardware management as far as I'm aware unless you use Chromebooks.
- fragmede 11mo ago
  > Google probably gets the closest but doesn't have a chat service like Slack Google is up to a dozen versions of chat, the current incarnation is called Google Meet which includes a video akak Zoom type service as well as a Slack-type chat service.

entropie 11mo ago

Yeah. I know this one. Its the same story since like 15+ years now.

freehorse 11mo ago
Well, with the windows 10 support ending, it is different now. To some extent staying on windows requires more effort than switching, which is an interesting place to be. I have "switched" people to macos or linux that before would not even bother and hear such stories everywhere. The linux ecosystem has matured and windows is no longer the easy/bugfree experience that was. Eg I tried to install linux and windows to some brand new hardware couple of years ago, linux worked out of the box while for windows I had to go troubleshooting mode and find/download/install drivers manually. 10-15 years ago or so it was always the opposite.
- entropie 11mo ago
  > Eg I tried to install linux and windows to some brand new hardware couple of years ago, I realized this too. I recently installed a dual boot Fedora/Win11. The fedora installation was literally pressing 4 times "Next" and was done after 5 minutes. Windows took well over 1 hour (offline account) and installing drivers and taming edge & co was over 2 hours at the end.

StopDisinfo910 11mo ago

I don’t get the Teams hate. My experience is that document sharing and collaborative edition work insanely well with Office. Visio is fool proof and quality is ok even with a poor connection. The integration with outlook is perfect. The product ecosystem is great so it’s easy to get room booking and auto-connect. Plus, copilot is good at minutes and transcription. I can’t imagine going back to a time where I couldn’t just throw an excel file or ppt in a discussion and get collaborative editing straight away. At the price point, it’s pretty much unmatched in my experience. What would people rather use instead?

binary132 11mo ago
The only thing I really like about Teams is that the AI-optimized audio codec is the only video call audio that doesn’t cause some people’s voices to become physically painful to listen to.
Spooky23 11mo ago
Visio was built to be acquired by Microsoft. It was the best office family app pre-acquisition. Every subsequent release is worse than the one before it. Lucid is a better tool in every way.
- jansper39 11mo ago
  Lucid is for a totally different purpose though.
Mashimo 11mo ago
Teams works fine for my limited needs. Though it feels sluggish, sometimes a chat or calendar takes 3 seconds to load.
- jonbiggums22 11mo ago
  Even loading a command prompt or the calculator takes more than 3 seconds on Windows 11 so maybe they've just lowered the bar so much it passes internal testing.