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> 1. This author’s writing is extremely, uncommonly good. > 2. His resume is designed poorly… This is the world of TikTok and Instagram reels Imo this is exac

> 1. This author’s writing is extremely, uncommonly good. > 2. His resume is designed poorly… This is the world of TikTok and Instagram reels Imo this is exactly the problem. We’ve constructed a system where brilliance doesn’t shine through. The idea that someone as thoughtful as OP needs to tiktokify their resume to even have a chance at getting hired is ridiculous. I’m young, so I have no clue, but surely the job market didn’t always work like this?

ivape 11mo ago
Why do you think any of that has to do with being a good programmer?
- deleted 11mo ago
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windowshopping 11mo ago
Well, I think there's a middle ground between "tiktokifying" and "having your CV look like an essay." Brevity is the soul of wit, after all. These summaries of projects/positions are just very long. In this context, I feel they're too long. 1-2 sentences each should be sufficient, not extended paragraphs. Many other commenters here disagree, though, so....clearly it's subjective!
- coolThingsFirst 11mo ago
  It doesn't matter at all, if it's not enough that they have a DeepMind internship the rest are just trivia and details. People get hung up on details when they REALLY are just not interested in hiring. No one rejects candidates based on the color of their shirt if they really need said candidate.
  - vkou 11mo ago
    Which is, of course, the meat of the matter. Nobody 'needs' to hire a junior anymore.
    - bitfilped 11mo ago
      Eveyone needs to hire juniors, it's how seniors get made. Management thinks they're smart and have found a shortcut to save money, but it's only going to lead to degregation of skill at the senior level as well as raise the amount of money people that truly operate at a senior level can demand. I've already seen both happen where I work.
    - array_key_first 11mo ago
      Nobody, in particular, needs to hire juniors. But everyone needs to hire juniors.
  - aprilthird2021 11mo ago
    > they REALLY are just not interested in hiring. That is the point of OP's article yes, that and the idea that being "out of distribution" is increasingly important. This, mentioning his unique qualities (e.g. a Deep Mind internship) and not his similar qualities (everything else) would probably be pertinent
gedy 11mo ago
In my limited world view and 35 year career, the big shift I see (which I view is a problem) is that companies seem to lean way more on young HR types to recruit and filter than in the past. I can’t speak for everyone, but to me it seems it used to be a lot more common for the skilled hiring manager to be responsible for looking for new hires.
- nradov 11mo ago
  That happened because online job sites made it so easy for candidates to apply that hiring managers could no longer personally keep up with the flood. It's a bad situation for both employers and candidates but there doesn't seem to be any practical alternative.
  - lisbbb 11mo ago
    There has to be a way to limit the flood--someone has to pay a fee someplace.
    - vee-kay 11mo ago
      The only fee will be a subscription to AI LLM. AI will do a cheap job of automatically filtering the potential candidates for a hire. A suitable AI LLM can even be leveraged as automation that calls up the filtered candidates and evaluates them for the basics. So that would filter the wheat from the chaff. And then the humans can take the process further to interview and select the candidates for the hire. So yeah, AI will replace the HR recruiters at least for the mundane tasks.
      - deaux 11mo ago
        Resumes will be increasingly fake, at the same rate. We're already seeing this. Recently interviewed a guy clearly using AI interview cheating tools, which is much higher barrier and risk than just making up shit on your resume.
    - nradov 11mo ago
socalgal2 11mo ago
No idea about small companies but FAANG companies get > 1 million resume submission a year. You need to take that into account, the recruiters and other people in the chain do not have time to read your essay.
- khafra 11mo ago
  Thanks to modern technology, every advertised job opening now gets > 1 million resume submissions a year, no matter the size of the company.
soupfordummies 11mo ago
Buddy, the amount of people these days with MASTER’S degrees that can’t even communicate via 2-3 (short) paragraph email exchanges… yep, it can be rough out there.
AznHisoka 11mo ago
Something something lemon market…
Den_VR 11mo ago
The way it used to work was you’d know somebody that’d know somebody and they’d vouch for you. But these days… it’s the same.
szundi 11mo ago
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carrychains 11mo ago
I'm 47. It has always been like this with resumes.
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brendoelfrendo 11mo ago
When I graduated from college in 2013, the common advice was to keep your resume to one printed page. Because people realized that job applications were all online and people rarely handled physical resumes anymore, that advice started to shift to "you can go onto a second page, if it is warranted." (My personal opinion at the time was that if an employer wasn't willing to expend a staple on my resume, then they probably won't worth working for). I'm of the opinion that a two page resume is fine. Three pages would probably be fine if you needed to elaborate on something really niche like research, but at that point we're getting into CV territory (note that in the US, resume and CV are not the same and a CV is used primarily in academic or scientific settings; a CV is supposed to be exhaustive; a resume is not). Funny that we're having this conversation here, though, because based on this particular example: the author's resume is fine. It needs punching up, and he should probably turn some of those paragraphs into bulleted lists, but I don't think it's too long.
- siva7 11mo ago
  Matches my experience. 2 page resume is standard for senior careers, everything below should be 1 page. The reason is simple: I'm evaluating if you are able to summarize the most important points for how you're fitting into this role into a very limited space. This is a important skill that transfers to many other areas and isn't obvious just by looking at the extensive list of your degrees and job positions. I trashed applications for the sole reason when i felt that the applicant missed the whole point of why i'm reading their resume. Yet some hiring folks may prefer it the other way around so it's also a cultural fit filter in some way.
augment_me 11mo ago
I agree but then the reality is that we are here now, so it's no longer ridiculous. So if you are that brilliant, you understand that there is no point of fighting the current, so to make your life easier and to get the job where you can feel fulfillment, you might have to adjust your CV to fit the reality. That is a part of the intelligence you need to adapt and has always been.
carlosjobim 11mo ago
> I’m young, so I have no clue, but surely the job market didn’t always work like this? No it didn't. Established (older) people saw it as their duty to help the younger generation become a part of the team. Today's older generation have nothing but hate and resentment against the young, and nobody considers themselves as having even the slightest duty towards younger generations. Maybe for their own family members, but usually not even that.

ivape 11mo ago

Why do you think any of that has to do with being a good programmer?

deleted 11mo ago
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windowshopping 11mo ago

Well, I think there's a middle ground between "tiktokifying" and "having your CV look like an essay." Brevity is the soul of wit, after all. These summaries of projects/positions are just very long. In this context, I feel they're too long. 1-2 sentences each should be sufficient, not extended paragraphs. Many other commenters here disagree, though, so....clearly it's subjective!

coolThingsFirst 11mo ago
It doesn't matter at all, if it's not enough that they have a DeepMind internship the rest are just trivia and details. People get hung up on details when they REALLY are just not interested in hiring. No one rejects candidates based on the color of their shirt if they really need said candidate.
- vkou 11mo ago
  Which is, of course, the meat of the matter. Nobody 'needs' to hire a junior anymore.
  - bitfilped 11mo ago
    Eveyone needs to hire juniors, it's how seniors get made. Management thinks they're smart and have found a shortcut to save money, but it's only going to lead to degregation of skill at the senior level as well as raise the amount of money people that truly operate at a senior level can demand. I've already seen both happen where I work.
  - array_key_first 11mo ago
    Nobody, in particular, needs to hire juniors. But everyone needs to hire juniors.
- aprilthird2021 11mo ago
  > they REALLY are just not interested in hiring. That is the point of OP's article yes, that and the idea that being "out of distribution" is increasingly important. This, mentioning his unique qualities (e.g. a Deep Mind internship) and not his similar qualities (everything else) would probably be pertinent

gedy 11mo ago

In my limited world view and 35 year career, the big shift I see (which I view is a problem) is that companies seem to lean way more on young HR types to recruit and filter than in the past. I can’t speak for everyone, but to me it seems it used to be a lot more common for the skilled hiring manager to be responsible for looking for new hires.

nradov 11mo ago
That happened because online job sites made it so easy for candidates to apply that hiring managers could no longer personally keep up with the flood. It's a bad situation for both employers and candidates but there doesn't seem to be any practical alternative.
- lisbbb 11mo ago
  There has to be a way to limit the flood--someone has to pay a fee someplace.
  - vee-kay 11mo ago
    The only fee will be a subscription to AI LLM. AI will do a cheap job of automatically filtering the potential candidates for a hire. A suitable AI LLM can even be leveraged as automation that calls up the filtered candidates and evaluates them for the basics. So that would filter the wheat from the chaff. And then the humans can take the process further to interview and select the candidates for the hire. So yeah, AI will replace the HR recruiters at least for the mundane tasks.
    - deaux 11mo ago
      Resumes will be increasingly fake, at the same rate. We're already seeing this. Recently interviewed a guy clearly using AI interview cheating tools, which is much higher barrier and risk than just making up shit on your resume.
  - nradov 11mo ago

socalgal2 11mo ago

No idea about small companies but FAANG companies get > 1 million resume submission a year. You need to take that into account, the recruiters and other people in the chain do not have time to read your essay.

khafra 11mo ago
Thanks to modern technology, every advertised job opening now gets > 1 million resume submissions a year, no matter the size of the company.

soupfordummies 11mo ago

Buddy, the amount of people these days with MASTER’S degrees that can’t even communicate via 2-3 (short) paragraph email exchanges… yep, it can be rough out there.

AznHisoka 11mo ago

Something something lemon market…

Den_VR 11mo ago

The way it used to work was you’d know somebody that’d know somebody and they’d vouch for you. But these days… it’s the same.

szundi 11mo ago

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carrychains 11mo ago

I'm 47. It has always been like this with resumes.

deleted 11mo ago

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brendoelfrendo 11mo ago

When I graduated from college in 2013, the common advice was to keep your resume to one printed page. Because people realized that job applications were all online and people rarely handled physical resumes anymore, that advice started to shift to "you can go onto a second page, if it is warranted." (My personal opinion at the time was that if an employer wasn't willing to expend a staple on my resume, then they probably won't worth working for). I'm of the opinion that a two page resume is fine. Three pages would probably be fine if you needed to elaborate on something really niche like research, but at that point we're getting into CV territory (note that in the US, resume and CV are not the same and a CV is used primarily in academic or scientific settings; a CV is supposed to be exhaustive; a resume is not). Funny that we're having this conversation here, though, because based on this particular example: the author's resume is fine. It needs punching up, and he should probably turn some of those paragraphs into bulleted lists, but I don't think it's too long.

siva7 11mo ago
Matches my experience. 2 page resume is standard for senior careers, everything below should be 1 page. The reason is simple: I'm evaluating if you are able to summarize the most important points for how you're fitting into this role into a very limited space. This is a important skill that transfers to many other areas and isn't obvious just by looking at the extensive list of your degrees and job positions. I trashed applications for the sole reason when i felt that the applicant missed the whole point of why i'm reading their resume. Yet some hiring folks may prefer it the other way around so it's also a cultural fit filter in some way.

augment_me 11mo ago

I agree but then the reality is that we are here now, so it's no longer ridiculous. So if you are that brilliant, you understand that there is no point of fighting the current, so to make your life easier and to get the job where you can feel fulfillment, you might have to adjust your CV to fit the reality. That is a part of the intelligence you need to adapt and has always been.

carlosjobim 11mo ago

> I’m young, so I have no clue, but surely the job market didn’t always work like this? No it didn't. Established (older) people saw it as their duty to help the younger generation become a part of the team. Today's older generation have nothing but hate and resentment against the young, and nobody considers themselves as having even the slightest duty towards younger generations. Maybe for their own family members, but usually not even that.