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It is oddly funny that people in my town are ferociously protesting the police force's adoption of Flock surveillance cameras when everyone already carries tota
by mbac32768 11mo ago
It is oddly funny that people in my town are ferociously protesting the police force's adoption of Flock surveillance cameras when everyone already carries total surveillance devices (smartphones) on their person at all times.
- TehCorwiz 11mo agoI can leave my phone at home. I cannot leave flock at home. It’s about consent.
- derektank 11mo agoI'm pretty sure the point parent was trying to make is that you can't get other people to leave their phones at home and there is very little recourse if a private citizen decides to record you without your consent from their phone in a public space. There's of course a difference in the powers involved, but people have had their lives ruined because somebody captured a video of them out of context or in their worst moment.
- vineyardmike 11mo agoYou can (generally) tell when a person around you is filming, and you generally don’t have to worry about tons of random individuals bringing together footage of you for tracking and surveillance.
- rjdj377dhabsn 11mo agoPrivate individuals generally aren't systematically using their cameras for mass surveillance of you. The government is.
- eru 11mo agoMost of the cameras are attached to either Apple or Android devices. The companies that control these ecosystems could use them for mass surveillance. The government could 'politely' ask these companies to do that for them. Or they could just directly order the phones.
- ocdtrekkie 11mo agoSort of except for the fatal flaw that you are talking about battery powered devices that mostly live in peoples' pockets. The reason Flock cameras and Ring doorbells both serve well for mass video surveillance is consistent predictable location and power.
- eru 11mo agoMaybe, yes. On the other hand, there's lots and lots of people running around with these things, so you get pretty good statistical coverage, especially in cities.
- IshKebab 11mo agoCould, but don't.
- lostlogin 11mo agoYou really think Google and Apple aren’t tracking users?
- IshKebab 11mo agoNo, I really don't think Google and Apple are using Android/iPhone cameras or microphones for mass surveillance.
- konart 11mo agoUnless we are trying to do the "conspiracy theory" route: there is not "thinking" here. You can at least sniff traffic or whatever and tell if your phone is ringing back to google even when you tell it not to. And the discussion above is about a different kind of surveillance. Notifying Google (or state) that I'm sitting in front of my PC is one thing. Sending photos of videos of me jerking off is different.
- tim1994 11mo ago> The government is. Companies too.
- rjdj377dhabsn 11mo agoCompanies can't use violence against individuals who do things they don't like.
- immibis 11mo agoIn Germany it's (very roughly speaking) illegal to film people in public. (Importantly, not the same as filming a thing or event and having people incidentally in the frame)
- nandomrumber 11mo ago[flagged]