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I'm a straight white dude living in the United States. I'm as much part of the "majority" as one could possibly be, and this sentiment always confounds me. Nev

by scuff3d 11mo ago

I'm a straight white dude living in the United States. I'm as much part of the "majority" as one could possibly be, and this sentiment always confounds me. Never once in my 20+ years working for corporations and government contractors, including companies with very strong DEI programs, have I ever felt excluded or marginalized. And I've never witnessed "reverse racism" (which is a totally absurd name for what would just be racism). What I have experienced, several times, is people who look like me thinking I'm one of the boys, and flat out telling me they don't hire woman because they "cause too much drama", or only hire women they want to have sex with. And those are just two examples of dozens. Thanksfully those situations have plummeted over the years. You flat out will not get an equitable work environment if you don't place a focus on it.

yoyohello13 11mo ago
Some for me. I worked at a university ground zero for the ‘woke’ wave and I never once had trouble getting hired or advancing as a straight white guy. These people keep shouting DEI! DEI! And I have no ideas what their fucking problem is.
- tialaramex 11mo ago
  Gaslighting is their whole thing. Lying about absolutely everything means gradually ordinary people have no idea that facts are true or even what could distinguish a fact from an opinion. This only stops working when it bumps into Mother Nature's laws rather than man's laws, so that's what you have to focus on with these people. It's brutal but it's entirely impartial, they can tell Fox News that black is white and up is down, but Ma doesn't give a shit, and they hate that. Who does she think she is?
mixmastamyk 11mo ago
Wait till you get old, as everyone will. Also, because you personally haven’t experienced something yet is not that relevant. Remember the story about enforced diversity statements at universities, and the ex-soviet math teacher warning against them? I do and it was discussed here. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38985343 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38985343
- acdha 11mo ago
  YMMV: I haven’t seen age discrimination from people who seriously supported DEI: quite the opposite, they are generally summed up as “hire people who can do the job” which doesn’t exclude age. I have seen it from the same types of people who oppose DEI: born affluent, convinced that anyone who can’t retire at 45 chose not to, etc.
  - mixmastamyk 11mo ago
    Not my experience, but don’t think it could be definite either way. Therefore not a useful statement.
- stubish 11mo ago
  If only there was some sort of policy encouraging diversity that could tackle ageism in hiring practices.
  - mixmastamyk 11mo ago
    EOE and anti ageism laws have existed for decades. How has that worked out? Look at Agile, a movement that took a good idea and twisted it into the opposite.
    - stubish 11mo ago
      The solution to dead laws is remove any chance of them being enforced? The solution to ageism is to make policies that attempt to enforce the laws and human rights illegal? Really? Thankfully nobody has made it illegal to do Agile correctly rather than following the tautological Official Agile Process(tm).
- scuff3d 11mo ago
  I restarted my career in my 30s. I'm literally working in a field right now where people almost half my age are at the same level I am, and people my age or younger are my boss. Have never had a problem all through the career transition. I'm not just saying me personally. I'm saying I have never even heard a creditable case of "reverse discrimination" in all my years, across all my colleagues. DEI initiatives seek to put minority groups on the same level as majority groups. So they get the same consideration as everyone else, not more consideration. If that bothers you I don't really know what to tell you.
ryan_lane 11mo ago
Exactly in the same boat here. At an old job I once had one of the most useless people in the office, in a 1-1 meeting, tell me that the black people in the office were only being hired for DEI/nepotism (he didn't say "black people"). He felt comfortable saying this to me because I look like him, which means that other folks in the office obviously share his mentality.

by scuff3d 11mo ago

yoyohello13 11mo ago

Some for me. I worked at a university ground zero for the ‘woke’ wave and I never once had trouble getting hired or advancing as a straight white guy. These people keep shouting DEI! DEI! And I have no ideas what their fucking problem is.

tialaramex 11mo ago
Gaslighting is their whole thing. Lying about absolutely everything means gradually ordinary people have no idea that facts are true or even what could distinguish a fact from an opinion. This only stops working when it bumps into Mother Nature's laws rather than man's laws, so that's what you have to focus on with these people. It's brutal but it's entirely impartial, they can tell Fox News that black is white and up is down, but Ma doesn't give a shit, and they hate that. Who does she think she is?

mixmastamyk 11mo ago

Wait till you get old, as everyone will. Also, because you personally haven’t experienced something yet is not that relevant. Remember the story about enforced diversity statements at universities, and the ex-soviet math teacher warning against them? I do and it was discussed here. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38985343 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38985343

acdha 11mo ago
YMMV: I haven’t seen age discrimination from people who seriously supported DEI: quite the opposite, they are generally summed up as “hire people who can do the job” which doesn’t exclude age. I have seen it from the same types of people who oppose DEI: born affluent, convinced that anyone who can’t retire at 45 chose not to, etc.
- mixmastamyk 11mo ago
  Not my experience, but don’t think it could be definite either way. Therefore not a useful statement.
stubish 11mo ago
If only there was some sort of policy encouraging diversity that could tackle ageism in hiring practices.
- mixmastamyk 11mo ago
  EOE and anti ageism laws have existed for decades. How has that worked out? Look at Agile, a movement that took a good idea and twisted it into the opposite.
  - stubish 11mo ago
    The solution to dead laws is remove any chance of them being enforced? The solution to ageism is to make policies that attempt to enforce the laws and human rights illegal? Really? Thankfully nobody has made it illegal to do Agile correctly rather than following the tautological Official Agile Process(tm).
scuff3d 11mo ago
I restarted my career in my 30s. I'm literally working in a field right now where people almost half my age are at the same level I am, and people my age or younger are my boss. Have never had a problem all through the career transition. I'm not just saying me personally. I'm saying I have never even heard a creditable case of "reverse discrimination" in all my years, across all my colleagues. DEI initiatives seek to put minority groups on the same level as majority groups. So they get the same consideration as everyone else, not more consideration. If that bothers you I don't really know what to tell you.

ryan_lane 11mo ago

Exactly in the same boat here. At an old job I once had one of the most useless people in the office, in a 1-1 meeting, tell me that the black people in the office were only being hired for DEI/nepotism (he didn't say "black people"). He felt comfortable saying this to me because I look like him, which means that other folks in the office obviously share his mentality.