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No. The specific point is "They do not, and will not during the term of this financial assistance award, operate any programs that advance or promote DEI, or di

No. The specific point is "They do not, and will not during the term of this financial assistance award, operate any programs that advance or promote DEI, or discriminatory equity ideology in violation of Federal anti-discrimination law".

smolder 1y ago
That rebranding of DEI is hilariously childish in an entertaining way, while deepening my loathing for the people behind it. I respect the choice to refuse those terms. Even organizations that aren't heavily focused on/invested in outreach and inclusion should refuse to accept those terms.
mlindner 1y ago
Yes that is what the equal protection clause is. Equity policies try to go beyond that by instituting "reverse racism" (which is really just racism) or any of a variety of other sort of policies that actively harm majority groups to try to force some kind of equitable representation.
- scuff3d 1y ago
  I'm a straight white dude living in the United States. I'm as much part of the "majority" as one could possibly be, and this sentiment always confounds me. Never once in my 20+ years working for corporations and government contractors, including companies with very strong DEI programs, have I ever felt excluded or marginalized. And I've never witnessed "reverse racism" (which is a totally absurd name for what would just be racism). What I have experienced, several times, is people who look like me thinking I'm one of the boys, and flat out telling me they don't hire woman because they "cause too much drama", or only hire women they want to have sex with. And those are just two examples of dozens. Thanksfully those situations have plummeted over the years. You flat out will not get an equitable work environment if you don't place a focus on it.
  - yoyohello13 1y ago
    Some for me. I worked at a university ground zero for the ‘woke’ wave and I never once had trouble getting hired or advancing as a straight white guy. These people keep shouting DEI! DEI! And I have no ideas what their fucking problem is.
    - tialaramex 1y ago
      Gaslighting is their whole thing. Lying about absolutely everything means gradually ordinary people have no idea that facts are true or even what could distinguish a fact from an opinion. This only stops working when it bumps into Mother Nature's laws rather than man's laws, so that's what you have to focus on with these people. It's brutal but it's entirely impartial, they can tell Fox News that black is white and up is down, but Ma doesn't give a shit, and they hate that. Who does she think she is?
  - mixmastamyk 1y ago
    Wait till you get old, as everyone will. Also, because you personally haven’t experienced something yet is not that relevant. Remember the story about enforced diversity statements at universities, and the ex-soviet math teacher warning against them? I do and it was discussed here. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38985343 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38985343
    - acdha 1y ago
      YMMV: I haven’t seen age discrimination from people who seriously supported DEI: quite the opposite, they are generally summed up as “hire people who can do the job” which doesn’t exclude age. I have seen it from the same types of people who oppose DEI: born affluent, convinced that anyone who can’t retire at 45 chose not to, etc.
      - mixmastamyk 1y ago
        Not my experience, but don’t think it could be definite either way. Therefore not a useful statement.
buckle8017 1y ago
DEI programs violate the equal protection clause. If you don't like racism, don't be racist.

smolder 1y ago

That rebranding of DEI is hilariously childish in an entertaining way, while deepening my loathing for the people behind it. I respect the choice to refuse those terms. Even organizations that aren't heavily focused on/invested in outreach and inclusion should refuse to accept those terms.

mlindner 1y ago

Yes that is what the equal protection clause is. Equity policies try to go beyond that by instituting "reverse racism" (which is really just racism) or any of a variety of other sort of policies that actively harm majority groups to try to force some kind of equitable representation.

scuff3d 1y ago
I'm a straight white dude living in the United States. I'm as much part of the "majority" as one could possibly be, and this sentiment always confounds me. Never once in my 20+ years working for corporations and government contractors, including companies with very strong DEI programs, have I ever felt excluded or marginalized. And I've never witnessed "reverse racism" (which is a totally absurd name for what would just be racism). What I have experienced, several times, is people who look like me thinking I'm one of the boys, and flat out telling me they don't hire woman because they "cause too much drama", or only hire women they want to have sex with. And those are just two examples of dozens. Thanksfully those situations have plummeted over the years. You flat out will not get an equitable work environment if you don't place a focus on it.
- yoyohello13 1y ago
  Some for me. I worked at a university ground zero for the ‘woke’ wave and I never once had trouble getting hired or advancing as a straight white guy. These people keep shouting DEI! DEI! And I have no ideas what their fucking problem is.
  - tialaramex 1y ago
    Gaslighting is their whole thing. Lying about absolutely everything means gradually ordinary people have no idea that facts are true or even what could distinguish a fact from an opinion. This only stops working when it bumps into Mother Nature's laws rather than man's laws, so that's what you have to focus on with these people. It's brutal but it's entirely impartial, they can tell Fox News that black is white and up is down, but Ma doesn't give a shit, and they hate that. Who does she think she is?
- mixmastamyk 1y ago
  Wait till you get old, as everyone will. Also, because you personally haven’t experienced something yet is not that relevant. Remember the story about enforced diversity statements at universities, and the ex-soviet math teacher warning against them? I do and it was discussed here. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38985343 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38985343
  - acdha 1y ago
    YMMV: I haven’t seen age discrimination from people who seriously supported DEI: quite the opposite, they are generally summed up as “hire people who can do the job” which doesn’t exclude age. I have seen it from the same types of people who oppose DEI: born affluent, convinced that anyone who can’t retire at 45 chose not to, etc.
    - mixmastamyk 1y ago
      Not my experience, but don’t think it could be definite either way. Therefore not a useful statement.

buckle8017 1y ago

DEI programs violate the equal protection clause. If you don't like racism, don't be racist.