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It's a shame that the top comments are focusing more on Elon Musk, his personality and politics rather than the quality of the model per se. Speaking about Elo

It's a shame that the top comments are focusing more on Elon Musk, his personality and politics rather than the quality of the model per se. Speaking about Elon, regardless of what you think of him, he really does get things done, despite naysayers -- SpaceX, Tesla, Neuralink and even get Trump elected ( despite subsequent fallout) etc. Even Twitter is finding a second life by becoming a haven for the free speech advocates and alternative views, much to the chagrin of MSMs because they now no longer have the monopoly on the "truth", and censoring "fake news" becomes hard. People like Elon are almost by definition contrarian ( you don't change the world by being a conformist), that should align well with the predilection of the intended audience here. So it's a surprise to me that HNs are almost uniformly, vehemently anti-Musk. It's almost as if the ultimate embodiment of the hacker spirit -- Musk -- is being rejected by his own kind, the very kind that he is supposed to inspire.

letmetweakit 1y ago
In my understanding of the hacker ethos, hackers appear to be genuinely nice people who mean to do good for society and regular people. Elon does not align with those values according to some people so they reject him and his activities.
- vachina 1y ago
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  - victorbjorklund 1y ago
    Accusing a cave diver who made Elon look stupid to be a pedophile just because Elon can’t stand people not thinking he is the smartest? Can give more examples.
  - finebalance 1y ago
    Killing USAID.
  - bertili 1y ago
    Besides the obvious right wing interference in politics, star link weaponization in some countries - how can anybody stomach the saving-humanity-agenda while running a major social media unresponsiveliy without caring of moderation, its consequences for real people?
    - jasonvorhe 1y ago
      Because someone's moderation is censorship to someone else. Begging Musk for free speech is another issue in itself though so you better don't bet on X allowing you to speak forever.
      - bertili 1y ago
        Free speech is one of these things that is always used as a trojan for doing ultimate good. Let us empower anybody to say anything they want AND enforce everybody to have to listen to it. Anonymous free speech is not free speech. There is no accountability. It should not should not be a human right. Its destroying our societies. The evidence should be clear by now.
        jasonvorhe 11mo ago
        If you really think that free speech is the trojan horse and not "moderation to fight misinformation or bad behavior" we are not the same.
    - vachina 1y ago
      I think the lack of moderation is a feature not a bug. People actually get to express themselves freely, very unlike the sterile feeling you get from mainstream social media, with content engineered for maximum engagement and political correctness for maximum ad revenue. X doesn’t seem to care any of that.
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wewewedxfgdf 1y ago
>> regardless of what you think of him, he really does get things done, despite naysayers -- SpaceX, Tesla, Neuralink and even get Trump elected It matters how people behave.
thereitgoes456 1y ago
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- aydyn 1y ago
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  - KingMob 1y ago
    But Tesla != Musk. He wasn't actually a founder, he bought his way in, and demanded that everyone agree he was a "founder". Not to mention the huge numbers of real scientists working over the decades to improve battery tech to the point where it was obvious that electric cars were going to be viable. We shouldn't praise Musk for taking credit for other people's work.
    - whywhywhywhy 1y ago
      Doesn’t matter, every normie thinks he is so his influence impacts Tesla for better or worse.
oulipo2 1y ago
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latexr 1y ago
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- testdelacc1 1y ago
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  - latexr 1y ago
    You’re replying to the wrong comment.
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m-hodges 1y ago
> Even Twitter is finding a second life by becoming a haven for the free speech advocates and alternative views, much to the chagrin of MSMs because they now no longer have the monopoly on the "truth" Of all the silly things to say about Musk and Twitter, the idea that “MSM” are upset about Twitter is among the silliest.
csomar 1y ago
> he really does get things done Really? Most of the stuff he promised never materialized. Elon's genius is that he learned where the money comes from. Both Tesla and Space X where financed by gov. money. That's why he supported Trump and that's why he keeps pumping the stock. He goes directly to the source.
decremental 1y ago
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nextaccountic 1y ago
> regardless of what you think of him, he really does get things done, despite naysayers -- SpaceX, Tesla, Neuralink and even get Trump elected Is a billionarie getting a politician elected - even by promising payment to voters (that is, buying votes) - something positive? The US is supposed to be a democracy, it's the people that get politicians elected, not billionaries

letmetweakit 1y ago

In my understanding of the hacker ethos, hackers appear to be genuinely nice people who mean to do good for society and regular people. Elon does not align with those values according to some people so they reject him and his activities.

vachina 1y ago
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- victorbjorklund 1y ago
  Accusing a cave diver who made Elon look stupid to be a pedophile just because Elon can’t stand people not thinking he is the smartest? Can give more examples.
- finebalance 1y ago
  Killing USAID.
- bertili 1y ago
  Besides the obvious right wing interference in politics, star link weaponization in some countries - how can anybody stomach the saving-humanity-agenda while running a major social media unresponsiveliy without caring of moderation, its consequences for real people?
  - jasonvorhe 1y ago
    Because someone's moderation is censorship to someone else. Begging Musk for free speech is another issue in itself though so you better don't bet on X allowing you to speak forever.
    - bertili 1y ago
      Free speech is one of these things that is always used as a trojan for doing ultimate good. Let us empower anybody to say anything they want AND enforce everybody to have to listen to it. Anonymous free speech is not free speech. There is no accountability. It should not should not be a human right. Its destroying our societies. The evidence should be clear by now.
      - jasonvorhe 11mo ago
        If you really think that free speech is the trojan horse and not "moderation to fight misinformation or bad behavior" we are not the same.
  - vachina 1y ago
    I think the lack of moderation is a feature not a bug. People actually get to express themselves freely, very unlike the sterile feeling you get from mainstream social media, with content engineered for maximum engagement and political correctness for maximum ad revenue. X doesn’t seem to care any of that.
- oulipo2 1y ago
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  - 458632058268 1y ago
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wewewedxfgdf 1y ago

>> regardless of what you think of him, he really does get things done, despite naysayers -- SpaceX, Tesla, Neuralink and even get Trump elected It matters how people behave.

thereitgoes456 1y ago

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aydyn 1y ago
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- KingMob 1y ago
  But Tesla != Musk. He wasn't actually a founder, he bought his way in, and demanded that everyone agree he was a "founder". Not to mention the huge numbers of real scientists working over the decades to improve battery tech to the point where it was obvious that electric cars were going to be viable. We shouldn't praise Musk for taking credit for other people's work.
  - whywhywhywhy 1y ago
    Doesn’t matter, every normie thinks he is so his influence impacts Tesla for better or worse.

oulipo2 1y ago

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latexr 1y ago

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testdelacc1 1y ago
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- latexr 1y ago
  You’re replying to the wrong comment.
  - testdelacc1 1y ago
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m-hodges 1y ago

> Even Twitter is finding a second life by becoming a haven for the free speech advocates and alternative views, much to the chagrin of MSMs because they now no longer have the monopoly on the "truth" Of all the silly things to say about Musk and Twitter, the idea that “MSM” are upset about Twitter is among the silliest.

csomar 1y ago

> he really does get things done Really? Most of the stuff he promised never materialized. Elon's genius is that he learned where the money comes from. Both Tesla and Space X where financed by gov. money. That's why he supported Trump and that's why he keeps pumping the stock. He goes directly to the source.

decremental 1y ago

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nextaccountic 1y ago

> regardless of what you think of him, he really does get things done, despite naysayers -- SpaceX, Tesla, Neuralink and even get Trump elected Is a billionarie getting a politician elected - even by promising payment to voters (that is, buying votes) - something positive? The US is supposed to be a democracy, it's the people that get politicians elected, not billionaries