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Does the internet move so fast that people have forgotten his Roman salute at the trump rally?

by jofzar 11mo ago

wqaatwt 11mo ago
That proves he’s an edgy, drugged out jerk. Raising your hand in a certain way is not sufficient to be a nazi..
- Lapel2742 11mo ago
  [flagged]
  - wqaatwt 11mo ago
    So let’s focus on the specifics things he does and says. Instead of compressing everything into a single word (which unfortunately lost much of its meaning and has been massively devalued). Nazism is a specific, relatively, defined and extremely dark ideology. If we apply it to every unhinged off brand pseudo-fascist it can really distort the views people might start having about the original ideology.
    - realusername 11mo ago
      I don't see what else you would need, he did the nazi salute, supported nazi parties and ideologies financially and publicly, what else would be needed? Let's be real, he's only getting a pass because it's Musk.
    - Lapel2742 11mo ago
      That's why I wrote "neo-nazi" and not Nazi. I'm German and I listened to all the stories my grandparents told me about the Nazi reign. In my my opinion he is f'ing Neo-nazi and if he isn't he behaves like one which in the end is the same. You know what I learned about the Nazis from my Grandparents? Not every German was a Nazi. In fact just short above 50% voted for them. And the Nazis didn't start with war and Auschwitz. That was peak Nazi. They started with “Awake, Germany!” and river cruises. The Holocaust was also possible because far too many people who were essentially decent turned a blind eye and found excuses for the Nazis until it was too late.
      - wqaatwt 11mo ago
        The thing is that he isn’t behaving like actual nazis from the 30s. He and people like him are doing and trying to accomplish something quite different (although also horrible). What’s happening today and its causes is only superficially similar to the situation in the 20s and 30s. Dismissing, ignoring and oversimplifying it (as appealing that is to some people) is counterproductive. > And the Nazis didn't start with war and Auschwitz No, but they were reasonable transparent about who they were well before that. Problem is that the majority (or pretty close) of these “essentially decent” people never supported democracy or what it stood for. Weimar Republic never stood a chance in a society where most people supported rabid jingoism and authoritarianism in general.
- enraged_camel 11mo ago
  The guy spends most of his time signal-boosting deeply racist, antisemitic, white supremacist stuff on X. He's obsessed with stuff like "replacement theory" and constantly insists white people must make as many babies as possible to maintain their cultural superiority and avoid being outnumbered by other races. You don't have to believe me. Go check for yourself.
  - wqaatwt 11mo ago
    I do. You’re certainly right. I just don’t like reducing the entire political compass to “marxist/smth.” and “nazis”. That both devalues these words and and leaves out any nuance. Guys like Trump or Putin are not nazis (yet). They do resemble Mussolini on various and often quite deep levels. So fascist would probably be the more correct term. As for Musk I’m not sure. Drugs and whatever mental issues he’s suffering from likely are distorting the real picture (which might also be even darker).
    - enraged_camel 11mo ago
      My philosophy is "if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck". Is there a chance that it's not a duck? Sure. Does it matter? Not unless you're a duck scientist. Ultimately I find that there is very little to gain from thinking hard about whether they are just Nazi boosters/sympathizers or actual Neo-nazis, because in practical terms it makes virtually no difference.
      - wqaatwt 11mo ago
        I do see your point about how avoiding thinking hard leads to seeing virtually no difference between various somewhat nuanced topics. Oversimplifying everything, reducing complexity into simple catchphrases and extreme cognitive dissonance is what the “other” side is all about. Adopting their overall approach seems somewhat counterproductive longterm…
        enraged_camel 11mo ago
- FranzFerdiNaN 11mo ago
  It’s amazing how far people are willing to go to ignore the evidence right in front of their eyes.
lm28469 11mo ago
Why is he licking Israel boot is he's a neo nazi ? It's almost as if being a piece of shit doesn't immediately make you a nazi, we should move on from ww2 era lingo, new things need new terms. When everyone is a fascist and a nazi no one is, and it weakens the original terms to the point of them being meaningless
- FranzFerdiNaN 11mo ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_antisemitism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_antisemitism
ilikehurdles 11mo ago
There’s a candidate with a literal Nazi symbol tattooed on his chest and not one democrat condemned him or demanded he drop out. Guess his party affiliation. So let’s just be clear that nobody is playing this fake outrage game anymore.
- monero-xmr 11mo ago
  NOOOO! Having a nazi death head tattooed on your body is because he didn’t known what it was! How dare you
- khimaros 11mo ago
  citation needed
- FranzFerdiNaN 11mo ago
  Multiple people can be nazi shitheads.

Does the internet move so fast that people have forgotten his Roman salute at the trump rally?

by jofzar 11mo ago

Does the internet move so fast that people have forgotten his Roman salute at the trump rally?

wqaatwt 11mo ago

That proves he’s an edgy, drugged out jerk. Raising your hand in a certain way is not sufficient to be a nazi..

Lapel2742 11mo ago
[flagged]
- wqaatwt 11mo ago
  So let’s focus on the specifics things he does and says. Instead of compressing everything into a single word (which unfortunately lost much of its meaning and has been massively devalued). Nazism is a specific, relatively, defined and extremely dark ideology. If we apply it to every unhinged off brand pseudo-fascist it can really distort the views people might start having about the original ideology.
  - realusername 11mo ago
    I don't see what else you would need, he did the nazi salute, supported nazi parties and ideologies financially and publicly, what else would be needed? Let's be real, he's only getting a pass because it's Musk.
  - Lapel2742 11mo ago
    That's why I wrote "neo-nazi" and not Nazi. I'm German and I listened to all the stories my grandparents told me about the Nazi reign. In my my opinion he is f'ing Neo-nazi and if he isn't he behaves like one which in the end is the same. You know what I learned about the Nazis from my Grandparents? Not every German was a Nazi. In fact just short above 50% voted for them. And the Nazis didn't start with war and Auschwitz. That was peak Nazi. They started with “Awake, Germany!” and river cruises. The Holocaust was also possible because far too many people who were essentially decent turned a blind eye and found excuses for the Nazis until it was too late.
    - wqaatwt 11mo ago
      The thing is that he isn’t behaving like actual nazis from the 30s. He and people like him are doing and trying to accomplish something quite different (although also horrible). What’s happening today and its causes is only superficially similar to the situation in the 20s and 30s. Dismissing, ignoring and oversimplifying it (as appealing that is to some people) is counterproductive. > And the Nazis didn't start with war and Auschwitz No, but they were reasonable transparent about who they were well before that. Problem is that the majority (or pretty close) of these “essentially decent” people never supported democracy or what it stood for. Weimar Republic never stood a chance in a society where most people supported rabid jingoism and authoritarianism in general.
enraged_camel 11mo ago
The guy spends most of his time signal-boosting deeply racist, antisemitic, white supremacist stuff on X. He's obsessed with stuff like "replacement theory" and constantly insists white people must make as many babies as possible to maintain their cultural superiority and avoid being outnumbered by other races. You don't have to believe me. Go check for yourself.
- wqaatwt 11mo ago
  I do. You’re certainly right. I just don’t like reducing the entire political compass to “marxist/smth.” and “nazis”. That both devalues these words and and leaves out any nuance. Guys like Trump or Putin are not nazis (yet). They do resemble Mussolini on various and often quite deep levels. So fascist would probably be the more correct term. As for Musk I’m not sure. Drugs and whatever mental issues he’s suffering from likely are distorting the real picture (which might also be even darker).
  - enraged_camel 11mo ago
    My philosophy is "if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck". Is there a chance that it's not a duck? Sure. Does it matter? Not unless you're a duck scientist. Ultimately I find that there is very little to gain from thinking hard about whether they are just Nazi boosters/sympathizers or actual Neo-nazis, because in practical terms it makes virtually no difference.
    - wqaatwt 11mo ago
      I do see your point about how avoiding thinking hard leads to seeing virtually no difference between various somewhat nuanced topics. Oversimplifying everything, reducing complexity into simple catchphrases and extreme cognitive dissonance is what the “other” side is all about. Adopting their overall approach seems somewhat counterproductive longterm…
      - enraged_camel 11mo ago
FranzFerdiNaN 11mo ago
It’s amazing how far people are willing to go to ignore the evidence right in front of their eyes.

lm28469 11mo ago

Why is he licking Israel boot is he's a neo nazi ? It's almost as if being a piece of shit doesn't immediately make you a nazi, we should move on from ww2 era lingo, new things need new terms. When everyone is a fascist and a nazi no one is, and it weakens the original terms to the point of them being meaningless

FranzFerdiNaN 11mo ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_antisemitism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_antisemitism

ilikehurdles 11mo ago

There’s a candidate with a literal Nazi symbol tattooed on his chest and not one democrat condemned him or demanded he drop out. Guess his party affiliation. So let’s just be clear that nobody is playing this fake outrage game anymore.

monero-xmr 11mo ago
NOOOO! Having a nazi death head tattooed on your body is because he didn’t known what it was! How dare you
khimaros 11mo ago
citation needed
FranzFerdiNaN 11mo ago
Multiple people can be nazi shitheads.