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Come on, I would also never use Grok because Elon is an arsehole. He's not a neonazi though. That's ridiculous.

by IshKebab 1y ago

jofzar 1y ago
Does the internet move so fast that people have forgotten his Roman salute at the trump rally?
- wqaatwt 1y ago
  That proves he’s an edgy, drugged out jerk. Raising your hand in a certain way is not sufficient to be a nazi..
  - Lapel2742 1y ago
    [flagged]
    - wqaatwt 1y ago
      So let’s focus on the specifics things he does and says. Instead of compressing everything into a single word (which unfortunately lost much of its meaning and has been massively devalued). Nazism is a specific, relatively, defined and extremely dark ideology. If we apply it to every unhinged off brand pseudo-fascist it can really distort the views people might start having about the original ideology.
      - realusername 1y ago
        I don't see what else you would need, he did the nazi salute, supported nazi parties and ideologies financially and publicly, what else would be needed? Let's be real, he's only getting a pass because it's Musk.
      - Lapel2742 1y ago
        That's why I wrote "neo-nazi" and not Nazi. I'm German and I listened to all the stories my grandparents told me about the Nazi reign. In my my opinion he is f'ing Neo-nazi and if he isn't he behaves like one which in the end is the same. You know what I learned about the Nazis from my Grandparents? Not every German was a Nazi. In fact just short above 50% voted for them. And the Nazis didn't start with war and Auschwitz. That was peak Nazi. They started with “Awake, Germany!” and river cruises. The Holocaust was also possible because far too many people who were essentially decent turned a blind eye and found excuses for the Nazis until it was too late.
        wqaatwt 1y ago
        The thing is that he isn’t behaving like actual nazis from the 30s. He and people like him are doing and trying to accomplish something quite different (although also horrible). What’s happening today and its causes is only superficially similar to the situation in the 20s and 30s. Dismissing, ignoring and oversimplifying it (as appealing that is to some people) is counterproductive. > And the Nazis didn't start with war and Auschwitz No, but they were reasonable transparent about who they were well before that. Problem is that the majority (or pretty close) of these “essentially decent” people never supported democracy or what it stood for. Weimar Republic never stood a chance in a society where most people supported rabid jingoism and authoritarianism in general.
  - enraged_camel 1y ago
    The guy spends most of his time signal-boosting deeply racist, antisemitic, white supremacist stuff on X. He's obsessed with stuff like "replacement theory" and constantly insists white people must make as many babies as possible to maintain their cultural superiority and avoid being outnumbered by other races. You don't have to believe me. Go check for yourself.
    - wqaatwt 1y ago
      I do. You’re certainly right. I just don’t like reducing the entire political compass to “marxist/smth.” and “nazis”. That both devalues these words and and leaves out any nuance. Guys like Trump or Putin are not nazis (yet). They do resemble Mussolini on various and often quite deep levels. So fascist would probably be the more correct term. As for Musk I’m not sure. Drugs and whatever mental issues he’s suffering from likely are distorting the real picture (which might also be even darker).
      - enraged_camel 1y ago
        My philosophy is "if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck". Is there a chance that it's not a duck? Sure. Does it matter? Not unless you're a duck scientist. Ultimately I find that there is very little to gain from thinking hard about whether they are just Nazi boosters/sympathizers or actual Neo-nazis, because in practical terms it makes virtually no difference.
        wqaatwt 1y ago
        I do see your point about how avoiding thinking hard leads to seeing virtually no difference between various somewhat nuanced topics. Oversimplifying everything, reducing complexity into simple catchphrases and extreme cognitive dissonance is what the “other” side is all about. Adopting their overall approach seems somewhat counterproductive longterm…
        enraged_camel 1y ago
        I recognize the nuance, I just don't think there's anything to gain from trying to understand whether Elon is a Neo-nazi or a more generic white supremacist because, practically speaking, doing so adds no value to my personal or professional life. On the other hand, if my job was to write a book about Elon, I would be compelled to dive much deeper into it.
  - FranzFerdiNaN 1y ago
    It’s amazing how far people are willing to go to ignore the evidence right in front of their eyes.
- lm28469 1y ago
  Why is he licking Israel boot is he's a neo nazi ? It's almost as if being a piece of shit doesn't immediately make you a nazi, we should move on from ww2 era lingo, new things need new terms. When everyone is a fascist and a nazi no one is, and it weakens the original terms to the point of them being meaningless
  - FranzFerdiNaN 1y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_antisemitism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_antisemitism
- ilikehurdles 1y ago
  There’s a candidate with a literal Nazi symbol tattooed on his chest and not one democrat condemned him or demanded he drop out. Guess his party affiliation. So let’s just be clear that nobody is playing this fake outrage game anymore.
  - monero-xmr 1y ago
    NOOOO! Having a nazi death head tattooed on your body is because he didn’t known what it was! How dare you
  - khimaros 1y ago
    citation needed
  - FranzFerdiNaN 1y ago
    Multiple people can be nazi shitheads.
delusional 1y ago
He did heil a couple of times. And created mechahitler. And lied about "white genocide" in South africa. And called a white supremacist talking point "the actual truth" We should be careful of labeling people Nazis, but Elon does seem to be playing on the wrong side of that fence.
- gitaarik 1y ago
  > He did heil a couple of times. Also a democratic senator, Cary Booker, did the same salute recently [0]. But when a Democrat does it nobody really cares. Or rather people seem to understand that it's also just a natural wave towards a public that, in a certain snapshot could be interpreted as a nazi salute. [0]: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/conservatives-drag-booker-nazi-salute-cali-dems-after-liberal-meltdown-musk-gestured-like-nazi https://www.foxnews.com/politics/conservatives-drag-booker-n... > And created mechahitler. Just like Google Gemini was too woke before, and generated images of people with about +50% colored, even if it was asked to draw German soldiers in the second world war. And both companies have apologised and corrected the issues. And many AI companies have their controversies. It is indeed concerning, but I basically would never trust any propietary LLM, because you never know how it's trained. But I don't boycott any particular one because of their bias, but rather combine and compare them. Then you can see which ones filter what kind of information. > And lied about "white genocide" in South africa. What do you mean exactly with "lied"? I agree that probably the word genocide is exaggerated. But I think there is certainly nasty stuff going on against white people in South Africa. Not to say that it doesn't happen the other way around either, but then again you should be fair and have both sides have a voice. > And called a white supremacist talking point "the actual truth" I dived into this story at the time. And what I found, was that this one "truth" tweet was a response to a response from someone in a discussion about a certain Jewish organization (ADL). Elon was criticizing this organization for pusing an anti-white racism message. Basically because they were saying that Elon taking over Twitter would make it more antisemetic. So they were just blaming each other and it classicly escalated with a Elon tweet that he did later regret. But yeah, I again don't think this is necessarily suggests that he supports racist ideologies. Rather that he opposes it. But standing up against white-racism is often seen as being a white supremacist and antisemitic.
misnome 1y ago
Rule of goats
herbst 1y ago
Central European here. If it quaks like a nazi that's exactly what we would call a neo nazi.

Come on, I would also never use Grok because Elon is an arsehole. He's not a neonazi though. That's ridiculous.

jofzar 1y ago

Does the internet move so fast that people have forgotten his Roman salute at the trump rally?

wqaatwt 1y ago
That proves he’s an edgy, drugged out jerk. Raising your hand in a certain way is not sufficient to be a nazi..
- Lapel2742 1y ago
  [flagged]
  - wqaatwt 1y ago
    So let’s focus on the specifics things he does and says. Instead of compressing everything into a single word (which unfortunately lost much of its meaning and has been massively devalued). Nazism is a specific, relatively, defined and extremely dark ideology. If we apply it to every unhinged off brand pseudo-fascist it can really distort the views people might start having about the original ideology.
    - realusername 1y ago
      I don't see what else you would need, he did the nazi salute, supported nazi parties and ideologies financially and publicly, what else would be needed? Let's be real, he's only getting a pass because it's Musk.
    - Lapel2742 1y ago
      That's why I wrote "neo-nazi" and not Nazi. I'm German and I listened to all the stories my grandparents told me about the Nazi reign. In my my opinion he is f'ing Neo-nazi and if he isn't he behaves like one which in the end is the same. You know what I learned about the Nazis from my Grandparents? Not every German was a Nazi. In fact just short above 50% voted for them. And the Nazis didn't start with war and Auschwitz. That was peak Nazi. They started with “Awake, Germany!” and river cruises. The Holocaust was also possible because far too many people who were essentially decent turned a blind eye and found excuses for the Nazis until it was too late.
      - wqaatwt 1y ago
        The thing is that he isn’t behaving like actual nazis from the 30s. He and people like him are doing and trying to accomplish something quite different (although also horrible). What’s happening today and its causes is only superficially similar to the situation in the 20s and 30s. Dismissing, ignoring and oversimplifying it (as appealing that is to some people) is counterproductive. > And the Nazis didn't start with war and Auschwitz No, but they were reasonable transparent about who they were well before that. Problem is that the majority (or pretty close) of these “essentially decent” people never supported democracy or what it stood for. Weimar Republic never stood a chance in a society where most people supported rabid jingoism and authoritarianism in general.
- enraged_camel 1y ago
  The guy spends most of his time signal-boosting deeply racist, antisemitic, white supremacist stuff on X. He's obsessed with stuff like "replacement theory" and constantly insists white people must make as many babies as possible to maintain their cultural superiority and avoid being outnumbered by other races. You don't have to believe me. Go check for yourself.
  - wqaatwt 1y ago
    I do. You’re certainly right. I just don’t like reducing the entire political compass to “marxist/smth.” and “nazis”. That both devalues these words and and leaves out any nuance. Guys like Trump or Putin are not nazis (yet). They do resemble Mussolini on various and often quite deep levels. So fascist would probably be the more correct term. As for Musk I’m not sure. Drugs and whatever mental issues he’s suffering from likely are distorting the real picture (which might also be even darker).
    - enraged_camel 1y ago
      My philosophy is "if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck". Is there a chance that it's not a duck? Sure. Does it matter? Not unless you're a duck scientist. Ultimately I find that there is very little to gain from thinking hard about whether they are just Nazi boosters/sympathizers or actual Neo-nazis, because in practical terms it makes virtually no difference.
      - wqaatwt 1y ago
        I do see your point about how avoiding thinking hard leads to seeing virtually no difference between various somewhat nuanced topics. Oversimplifying everything, reducing complexity into simple catchphrases and extreme cognitive dissonance is what the “other” side is all about. Adopting their overall approach seems somewhat counterproductive longterm…
        enraged_camel 1y ago
        I recognize the nuance, I just don't think there's anything to gain from trying to understand whether Elon is a Neo-nazi or a more generic white supremacist because, practically speaking, doing so adds no value to my personal or professional life. On the other hand, if my job was to write a book about Elon, I would be compelled to dive much deeper into it.
- FranzFerdiNaN 1y ago
  It’s amazing how far people are willing to go to ignore the evidence right in front of their eyes.
lm28469 1y ago
Why is he licking Israel boot is he's a neo nazi ? It's almost as if being a piece of shit doesn't immediately make you a nazi, we should move on from ww2 era lingo, new things need new terms. When everyone is a fascist and a nazi no one is, and it weakens the original terms to the point of them being meaningless
- FranzFerdiNaN 1y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_antisemitism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_antisemitism
ilikehurdles 1y ago
There’s a candidate with a literal Nazi symbol tattooed on his chest and not one democrat condemned him or demanded he drop out. Guess his party affiliation. So let’s just be clear that nobody is playing this fake outrage game anymore.
- monero-xmr 1y ago
  NOOOO! Having a nazi death head tattooed on your body is because he didn’t known what it was! How dare you
- khimaros 1y ago
  citation needed
- FranzFerdiNaN 1y ago
  Multiple people can be nazi shitheads.

delusional 1y ago

He did heil a couple of times. And created mechahitler. And lied about "white genocide" in South africa. And called a white supremacist talking point "the actual truth" We should be careful of labeling people Nazis, but Elon does seem to be playing on the wrong side of that fence.

gitaarik 1y ago
> He did heil a couple of times. Also a democratic senator, Cary Booker, did the same salute recently [0]. But when a Democrat does it nobody really cares. Or rather people seem to understand that it's also just a natural wave towards a public that, in a certain snapshot could be interpreted as a nazi salute. [0]: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/conservatives-drag-booker-nazi-salute-cali-dems-after-liberal-meltdown-musk-gestured-like-nazi https://www.foxnews.com/politics/conservatives-drag-booker-n... > And created mechahitler. Just like Google Gemini was too woke before, and generated images of people with about +50% colored, even if it was asked to draw German soldiers in the second world war. And both companies have apologised and corrected the issues. And many AI companies have their controversies. It is indeed concerning, but I basically would never trust any propietary LLM, because you never know how it's trained. But I don't boycott any particular one because of their bias, but rather combine and compare them. Then you can see which ones filter what kind of information. > And lied about "white genocide" in South africa. What do you mean exactly with "lied"? I agree that probably the word genocide is exaggerated. But I think there is certainly nasty stuff going on against white people in South Africa. Not to say that it doesn't happen the other way around either, but then again you should be fair and have both sides have a voice. > And called a white supremacist talking point "the actual truth" I dived into this story at the time. And what I found, was that this one "truth" tweet was a response to a response from someone in a discussion about a certain Jewish organization (ADL). Elon was criticizing this organization for pusing an anti-white racism message. Basically because they were saying that Elon taking over Twitter would make it more antisemetic. So they were just blaming each other and it classicly escalated with a Elon tweet that he did later regret. But yeah, I again don't think this is necessarily suggests that he supports racist ideologies. Rather that he opposes it. But standing up against white-racism is often seen as being a white supremacist and antisemitic.

misnome 1y ago

Rule of goats

herbst 1y ago

Central European here. If it quaks like a nazi that's exactly what we would call a neo nazi.