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Why is it that every mention of the UK government I hear in the news, I think "wow, those guys are absolute scum!". They should just hand it back to the king,

Why is it that every mention of the UK government I hear in the news, I think "wow, those guys are absolute scum!". They should just hand it back to the king, the democracy experiment has failed there.

dgroshev 11mo ago
That's how filter bubbles and propaganda work. Take this case: the law was enacted two years ago by a different government, the regulator follows the law as enacted, and yet no one cares about this little nuance. In reality, it's a decent technocratic government trying to reverse a decade of mismanagement and fighting about five hundred fires at the same time. It's OK to good.
- rgblambda 11mo ago
  I agree with you on the decade of mismanagement and five hundred fires, but Labour (and the Lib Dems) supported this bill when it was being voted on.
  - dgroshev 11mo ago
    They didn't: https://votes.parliament.uk/votes/commons/division/1416 https://votes.parliament.uk/votes/commons/division/1416
    - rgblambda 11mo ago
      Here's every vote on the Online Safety Bill: https://votes.parliament.uk/Votes/Commons?SearchText=Online+Safety+Bill&FromDate=01%2F01%2F2021&ToDate=01%2F06%2F2025 https://votes.parliament.uk/Votes/Commons?SearchText=Online+... Labour & Lib Dems may have voted against the exact text presented to the house on a number of occasions, but it's well documented that they not only supported the general principle of the bill but wanted it to go further. https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2023-09-12/debates/81853BB7-375E-45C0-8C9D-4169AC36DD12/OnlineSafetyBill https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2023-09-12/debates/818... >I agree with the Minister that this is a groundbreaking Bill, but we must be clear that there are still gaps. - Debbie Abrahams (Labour)
- jalapenos 11mo ago
  Funny how that works, when the government I voted for is in, they're a good government and all problems are caused because the previous one was terrible. Democracy: everyone's somehow smarter than everyone else.
- Hizonner 11mo ago
  The party currently in power enthusiastically supported the OSA when it was enacted, and has been enthusiastic about implementing it. They're not just mechanically enforcing something that they inherited.
  - dgroshev 11mo ago
    > enthusiastically supported That's not how "enthusiastic support" looks like: https://votes.parliament.uk/votes/commons/division/1416 https://votes.parliament.uk/votes/commons/division/1416

dgroshev 11mo ago

That's how filter bubbles and propaganda work. Take this case: the law was enacted two years ago by a different government, the regulator follows the law as enacted, and yet no one cares about this little nuance. In reality, it's a decent technocratic government trying to reverse a decade of mismanagement and fighting about five hundred fires at the same time. It's OK to good.

rgblambda 11mo ago
I agree with you on the decade of mismanagement and five hundred fires, but Labour (and the Lib Dems) supported this bill when it was being voted on.
- dgroshev 11mo ago
  They didn't: https://votes.parliament.uk/votes/commons/division/1416 https://votes.parliament.uk/votes/commons/division/1416
  - rgblambda 11mo ago
    Here's every vote on the Online Safety Bill: https://votes.parliament.uk/Votes/Commons?SearchText=Online+Safety+Bill&FromDate=01%2F01%2F2021&ToDate=01%2F06%2F2025 https://votes.parliament.uk/Votes/Commons?SearchText=Online+... Labour & Lib Dems may have voted against the exact text presented to the house on a number of occasions, but it's well documented that they not only supported the general principle of the bill but wanted it to go further. https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2023-09-12/debates/81853BB7-375E-45C0-8C9D-4169AC36DD12/OnlineSafetyBill https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2023-09-12/debates/818... >I agree with the Minister that this is a groundbreaking Bill, but we must be clear that there are still gaps. - Debbie Abrahams (Labour)
jalapenos 11mo ago
Funny how that works, when the government I voted for is in, they're a good government and all problems are caused because the previous one was terrible. Democracy: everyone's somehow smarter than everyone else.
Hizonner 11mo ago
The party currently in power enthusiastically supported the OSA when it was enacted, and has been enthusiastic about implementing it. They're not just mechanically enforcing something that they inherited.
- dgroshev 11mo ago
  > enthusiastically supported That's not how "enthusiastic support" looks like: https://votes.parliament.uk/votes/commons/division/1416 https://votes.parliament.uk/votes/commons/division/1416