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Did you read the article? Not wanting to visit countries where secret police are rounding people up, regardless of citizenship, seems like a reasonable opinion.

by roxolotl 11mo ago

khannn 11mo ago
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- roxolotl 11mo ago
  Some of the allegations around the Canadian assisted suicides are absolutely indefensible and heinous but a tourist isn’t likely to encounter it. Even if you support the actions by the Trump administration, honestly especially so given the assertion is the cities are dangerous, it seems reasonable as a tourist to want to avoid countries, like the US, where there are active operations by military and paramilitary forces. EDIT to increase clarity.
  - kasey_junk 11mo ago
    ICE agents took people from normal activities (ie not protests) from Grant park (the park in downtown with the famous bean sculpture tourists go to) recently. They are snatching people all over the city without warrants. I would not say tourists are unlikely to encounter their operations.
    - khannn 11mo ago
      I'm not glazing ICE by any means, but we have to be real here: the vast majority of people that are being picked up are in violation of immigration law and no amount of "No warrant" is going to change people's mind. The majority of illegal immigration in my location are people overstaying their student visas and they're getting sent back. Saw a former co-worker's wife was sent back, no I didn't snitch, but I don't feel sorry for someone who overstayed a student visa then worked under the table for a decade.
    - roxolotl 11mo ago
      Yea totally agree. The comment I was responding to was clapping back about allegations of homeless individuals being pushed into assisted suicides in Canada. That’s what I meant would be unlikely to be encountered. I’ve updated my comment to make it more clear.
themafia 11mo ago
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- don_neufeld 11mo ago
  Chicago has over 50 millions tourists per year and rising. https://cdn.choosechicago.com/uploads/2025/07/Chicago-Tourism-Overview-2024.pdf https://cdn.choosechicago.com/uploads/2025/07/Chicago-Touris... https://abc7chicago.com/post/chicago-sees-record-breaking-hotel-stays-summer-generating-1b-revenue-trump-continues-bash-city/17919929/ https://abc7chicago.com/post/chicago-sees-record-breaking-ho... Is that a lot? Well, Rome - which people the world over would consider a “tourist destination” only has 35M tourists per year. https://hotelagio.com/rome-tourism-statistics/ https://hotelagio.com/rome-tourism-statistics/ Even Paris is less, around 47M https://parisplaybook.com/paris-tourism-statistics/ https://parisplaybook.com/paris-tourism-statistics/
  - themafia 11mo ago
    Those are overall visitations. There's no indication that they're vacationing or tourists. Does Chicago have more global business interests than Rome? My Mother went to Chicago every year for Emergency Room training. Was she a tourist? Or was she there because Chicago, for all it's problems, has one of the most competent and practiced set of ER doctors in the entire country?
    - don_neufeld 11mo ago
      “Does Chicago have more global business interests than Rome?” Given that the GDP of the Chicago area is ~5x the GDP of Rome, I suspect the answer is YES! Chicago: ~900B USD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_metropolitan_area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_metropolitan_area Rome: ~190B USD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome_metropolitan_area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome_metropolitan_area If you were to take exports as a good proxy for “global business interests”, then the USTR would show you that Chicago exports 57.9B in goods, making Chicago’s exports almost 1/3 of Rome’s entire GDP. https://ustr.gov/map/state-benefits/il https://ustr.gov/map/state-benefits/il

Did you read the article? Not wanting to visit countries where secret police are rounding people up, regardless of citizenship, seems like a reasonable opinion.

khannn 11mo ago

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roxolotl 11mo ago
Some of the allegations around the Canadian assisted suicides are absolutely indefensible and heinous but a tourist isn’t likely to encounter it. Even if you support the actions by the Trump administration, honestly especially so given the assertion is the cities are dangerous, it seems reasonable as a tourist to want to avoid countries, like the US, where there are active operations by military and paramilitary forces. EDIT to increase clarity.
- kasey_junk 11mo ago
  ICE agents took people from normal activities (ie not protests) from Grant park (the park in downtown with the famous bean sculpture tourists go to) recently. They are snatching people all over the city without warrants. I would not say tourists are unlikely to encounter their operations.
  - khannn 11mo ago
    I'm not glazing ICE by any means, but we have to be real here: the vast majority of people that are being picked up are in violation of immigration law and no amount of "No warrant" is going to change people's mind. The majority of illegal immigration in my location are people overstaying their student visas and they're getting sent back. Saw a former co-worker's wife was sent back, no I didn't snitch, but I don't feel sorry for someone who overstayed a student visa then worked under the table for a decade.
  - roxolotl 11mo ago
    Yea totally agree. The comment I was responding to was clapping back about allegations of homeless individuals being pushed into assisted suicides in Canada. That’s what I meant would be unlikely to be encountered. I’ve updated my comment to make it more clear.

themafia 11mo ago

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don_neufeld 11mo ago
Chicago has over 50 millions tourists per year and rising. https://cdn.choosechicago.com/uploads/2025/07/Chicago-Tourism-Overview-2024.pdf https://cdn.choosechicago.com/uploads/2025/07/Chicago-Touris... https://abc7chicago.com/post/chicago-sees-record-breaking-hotel-stays-summer-generating-1b-revenue-trump-continues-bash-city/17919929/ https://abc7chicago.com/post/chicago-sees-record-breaking-ho... Is that a lot? Well, Rome - which people the world over would consider a “tourist destination” only has 35M tourists per year. https://hotelagio.com/rome-tourism-statistics/ https://hotelagio.com/rome-tourism-statistics/ Even Paris is less, around 47M https://parisplaybook.com/paris-tourism-statistics/ https://parisplaybook.com/paris-tourism-statistics/
- themafia 11mo ago
  Those are overall visitations. There's no indication that they're vacationing or tourists. Does Chicago have more global business interests than Rome? My Mother went to Chicago every year for Emergency Room training. Was she a tourist? Or was she there because Chicago, for all it's problems, has one of the most competent and practiced set of ER doctors in the entire country?
  - don_neufeld 11mo ago
    “Does Chicago have more global business interests than Rome?” Given that the GDP of the Chicago area is ~5x the GDP of Rome, I suspect the answer is YES! Chicago: ~900B USD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_metropolitan_area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_metropolitan_area Rome: ~190B USD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome_metropolitan_area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome_metropolitan_area If you were to take exports as a good proxy for “global business interests”, then the USTR would show you that Chicago exports 57.9B in goods, making Chicago’s exports almost 1/3 of Rome’s entire GDP. https://ustr.gov/map/state-benefits/il https://ustr.gov/map/state-benefits/il