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What Hallucinogens Will Make You See (2023)

ashleyn 1y ago
I have such vivid memories of experiencing many of these things in infancy and early childhood. Especially pareidolia, mild object activation, and scenery slicing. Hasn't really happened much in almost thirty years. Is there any research on like, if this is a side effect of brain development? It's always made me wonder.
- gyomu 1y ago
  Discussed in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44804768 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44804768
gyomu 1y ago
The article is a short selection from a more complete website: https://www.effectindex.com/effects https://www.effectindex.com/effects The effort is purely descriptive and does not seem to correlate the various effects with their cause (nothing wrong with that, still interesting). This article provides a good overview of various theories: https://www.quantamagazine.org/a-math-theory-for-why-people-hallucinate-20180730/ https://www.quantamagazine.org/a-math-theory-for-why-people-...
- ashleyn 1y ago
  What I find very interesting is the strong resemblance to dreams some generative image/video AI can produce.
  - toastar 1y ago
    I had struggled to describe a bad trip I'd had until some of the text-to-video models from a few years ago became more accessible and nailed the morphing visuals and general uneasiness I'd felt, of course it was unintentional. The recent increase in quality has erased those features for better or for worse.
  - dylan604 1y ago
    It makes sense though. Our brains are constantly trying to recognize familiar out of everything it sees. The DeepDream from Googs does essentially the same thing. Starting with static, it "finds" patterns that then leads to seeing even more patterns that start to be recognizable. Or the other system that kept finding Ryan Gosling in images he clearly was not in. The DeepDream starting with static definitely reminds me of closing my eyes and watching the show with a head full of something.
- temp0826 1y ago
  Fun list, I'm glad there is language around some of this. I've drank ayahuasca around 500 times personally in a traditional context (somewhat of an apprenticeship setting) and have experienced most of these effects. In the tradition I've been learning, it's pretty fascinating just how vast the indigenous understanding of that space is- they really have words for everything and the mechanisms behind what they see (as well as an understanding of how those things manifest outside of that space, in normal waking life). And more importantly how those things can be worked with and released through the practice. We're really only beginning to scratch the surface here (in the "western" context) but at least it's starting.
  - tayo42 1y ago
    That's crazy? Once a week for 10 years? Everyday for almost 2?
    - temp0826 1y ago
      The place I was at drinks 4 times a week (9-10 months out of the year), I usually did twice/week. The shamans drink every time, thousands of ceremonies under their belts over many years.
    - Aurornis 1y ago
      One of my old friends got involved with a group drinking ayahuasca frequently. In their case they were taking lower doses than are traditionally associated with the one-off stories you hear about people traveling for ceremonies. There is also a tolerance build up that lessens the overt effects. However, it still resulted in some major mental health issues over time. He was outwardly happy and cheerful, but the longer you talked to him the more you realized he had developed impossible ideas about reality, distorted (and easily debunked with photos and other records) memories of past events, and a lot of mystical ideas about the world. He had mostly learned to hide them from people who weren’t in his group. When you got a couple of them ayahuasca people together and they started talking about mysticism, telepathy, and dismissing “western science” it started to reveal how far he was down the rabbit hole. He has since gone MIA, though we get signs that he’s still alive and active from time to time via social media. The way it changed him was scary, though.
optimalsolver 1y ago
It can get real bad: https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/gb9ar0/dark_dmt_trip_report/ https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/gb9ar0/dark_dmt_trip_r...
- embedding-shape 1y ago
  So can embarking on building a startup: https://ideas.darden.virginia.edu/theranos-darden-case https://ideas.darden.virginia.edu/theranos-darden-case Neither cases prove that either ecosystems are net-negative compared to the overall benefits.
thot_experiment 1y ago
Salvia is such a slept on hallucinogen, I would highly recommend it if you have experience tripping. It's legal in California. It's not fun in the way party drugs or low dose mushrooms are, it's more of a type-2 fun, not necessarily fun in the moment but sure as hell gives you a unique experience to reflect on when you're sober 10 minutes later.
- gryfft 1y ago
  > more of a type-2 fun, not necessarily fun in the moment This is a funny and accurate way of looking at it. After trying it a few times I felt like I had seen everything salvia had to show me. A dissociative kaleidoscope that leaves you coughing and sweaty loses its novelty pretty quick.
  - thot_experiment 1y ago
    I haven't touched it in many years as well (though this thread has made me curious how I would feel about it now, so I may change that), but I think I attribute a lot of my general stability/resilience to bad trips when it comes to hallucinogens to my salvia use giving me experience with a mindstate that can easily tip into an H.R. Geiger kaleidoscope as you said.
- ProllyInfamous 1y ago
  >sure as hell gives you a unique experience IMHO not worth it — salvia is terrifying much more often than mushrooms / acid. Definitely not something for a "first time psychonaut," and certainly shouldn't be legal. Among my most terrifying dissassociative moments (you will not know who you, nor anything else, is).
  - thot_experiment 1y ago
    Correct, even though it was the first hallucinogenic substance I ever tried I would not recommend that other people do the same thing, the potential for a bad trip if you're inexperienced is very high.
- 1y ago
user68858788 1y ago
I would love to try hallucinogens but I’m worried that it’ll aggravate my HPPD. It’s a pretty rare condition, and only a single optometrist I’ve spoken with actually believes I experience it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_perception_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_percep...
- noman-land 1y ago
  Have you seen the interviews about HPPD that Andrew Callaghan has done? He's a long time sufferer as well. Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder - 5CAST with Andrew Callaghan (#4) feat. Dr. Wesley Ryan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9pK4q7_VUc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9pK4q7_VUc
  - user68858788 1y ago
    No, I haven’t. Thank you for the link!
- Aurornis 1y ago
  HPPD is by definition a lasting effect of hallucinogens. The diagnostic criteria begins with the phrase “Following cessation of hallucinogen use” If you’ve never tried hallucinogens, you wouldn’t really qualify as having HPPD. There are other terms for visual issues that people can experience that look similar, but HPPD is specifically a hallucinogen-triggered condition. I do agree, though: If you’re already having visual issues it would be very wise to avoid hallucinogens.
  - user68858788 1y ago
    My best guess is that HPPD was triggered by how I used NyQuil as a young teen. I would drink half a bottle, sleep for half the day, and wake up feeling better. I did this pretty regularly for a few years whenever I got sick.
    - Majora320 1y ago
sambapa 1y ago
This article is a lazy ctrl-c from psychonautwiki. For example: https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Geometry#8B_-_Perceived_exposure_to_inner_mechanics_of_consciousness https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Geometry#8B_-_Perceived_expo...
- kristenfrench 1y ago
  I'm so sorry you did not enjoy it! We wanted to bring Josie Kins' index and research to our readers and did reach out to them for a bit of background.
  - jamal-kumar 1y ago
    I enjoyed it, people like to complain. If you wanna go further back on sources there's some pretty good stuff in like, math magazines hahaha https://plus.maths.org/content/uncoiling-spiral-maths-and-hallucinations https://plus.maths.org/content/uncoiling-spiral-maths-and-ha...
    - kristenfrench 1y ago
      Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it. Just checked that link out and whoa, very cool.
      - jamal-kumar 11mo ago
        Yeah Bresseloff is the man. Def check his work out, Ralph Abrams passed away recently (RIP) but he definitely had some words to say about all this stuff too, used to talk a lot with Mckenna and the unfortunate crank Sheldrake in trialogues which are fun reading if you got a mind open to that kind of thing https://bressloff.github.io/index.html https://bressloff.github.io/index.html Some other links - not only how the cortex got its stripes but how the leopard got its spots. You see alot of this math in psychedelic visuals now (Reaction-diffusion networks etc) https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5056826/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5056826/ https://plus.maths.org/content/how-leopard-got-its-spots https://plus.maths.org/content/how-leopard-got-its-spots
takoid 1y ago
If you’re interested in accurate examples of visual effects of hallucinogens, check out /r/Replications. Some of them are shockingly accurate. Here are some good examples: https://reddit.com/r/replications/comments/1ll9k7o/flight/ https://reddit.com/r/replications/comments/1ll9k7o/flight/ https://reddit.com/r/replications/comments/1jkajcq/that_moment_when_a_brick_wall_becomes_alive_on/ https://reddit.com/r/replications/comments/1jkajcq/that_mome... https://reddit.com/r/replications/comments/1hruv4t/just_visiting_one_of_those_hyperspace_rooms_again/ https://reddit.com/r/replications/comments/1hruv4t/just_visi...
- sho_hn 1y ago
  This is very cool. I have never been on drugs and don't plan to ever change that, but it's very interesting to get an impression of the experience. I have to say it's a bit underwhelming. It's interesting how the closest analog I can think lf is early generative image AI hallucinatory stuff.
  - gyomu 1y ago
    > I have to say it's a bit underwhelming Well, yeah. It’s like watching a video of a rollercoaster on your phone, vs riding in one.
    - sho_hn 1y ago
      It's not that it didn't occur to me. Sure I understand I'm missing the immediacy and the visceral effect here, and I presume the parallel impact on other senses. But then again if I was the sort of person that mattered to, my outlook would probably be different. I'm fine with others having different preferences. I would say to me these videos work wonders in confirming a little bit that I'm not really missing out. There's a lot of FOMO and myth-making around drugs, I think experience reports and replications are a pretty good way to make everyone's decisions more informed whether it's "for them". This could totally be some form of confirmation bias at work, but it works for me ...
      - 1y ago
throwpoaster 1y ago
According to Chat GPT, Nautilus still hasn’t paid its writers after the 2018 dispute.
analog8374 1y ago
I perceive a river of sights, sounds, smells, vibes, thoughts and emotions. And that's just a narrow slice. There's also a whole vast continent of nameless stuff too. Hallucinogens change my perspective of that river. Stuff I didn't notice I start noticing. My careful sample of the river, cultivated over a lifetime, gets jiggled and smeared all over and much that was invisible becomes visible. That said, I prefer shikantaza meditation.
neom 1y ago
The compound and the dose are predictably the same for me, but varied between them. Low dose shrooms: One with nature, universal love, watching everything alive breath. Mid dose shrooms: I become an aztec snake, get geometry, structural universe. High dose shrooms: Past life journeys and childhood memories. Low dose acid: lo-fi geometric one love reality. Mid dose: reality is electric, seeing/feeling the "walls of reality". High dose: electric, electric, what is this thing, synthetic geometry is reality? Everything looks like electricity. 2cb low dose: saturation on 3000%, everything is the light it should be and reveals itself as such. mid dose: opposite of ego death maybe? super embodied, no fractal stuff etc, but more looks like a "rubber" reality. High dose: for me not visual or auditory, very physical almost... physical hallucinations? Melting into things, becoming them etc. The list goes on, but it's interesting how different yet the same they all kinda feel... guess that tracks given what are actually limited variables.
- Gooblebrai 1y ago
  > High dose of 2cb: Melting into things, becoming them You mean like Salvia? I didn't know 2cb had this effect as well
  - neom 1y ago
    I've not had that experience with Salvia but I've read about what I presume you're talking about and I don't believe they are the same. 2cb feels like boundary dissolution, I'm still very much me but my edges have melted into the...couch, pillow, sheet. I think become them is way too strong of a term when compared to Salvia, I think Salvia is more towards ego replacement but 2cb is more somatic boundary changes. The 2cb effect is extremely pleasant.
lolive 1y ago
Schopenhauer
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comeonbro 1y ago
Best recreation that I've seen (by a large margin) of the visual experience of a mushroom trip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BxiYkCPZwI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BxiYkCPZwI
ChrisArchitect 1y ago
(2023) Discussion then: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36207268 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36207268
inshard 1y ago
I’ve occasionally seen and understood physical shapes and concepts while dreaming, which I was unable to describe or articulate in the real world once awake. It’s as if I recall how it made me feel, but I can’t describe what it was. Like the memory of a face you saw just once.
wcchandler 1y ago
Anecdotally speaking, I believe many of these to be largely true and a good respresentation. I never thought about the machinescapes visual and that is very spot on. That was over 20 years ago on Salvi. I was in a basement and visualized a train driving through the wall. The thing that stood out the most is the detail of the train. It looked like an old steam train and nothing like I had ever seen before in person. Was really cool and fun experience and really short lived. All done in like 15 minutes. Never really noticed the level of detail that was present until just now looking back on it. Another great experience I had that was captured well in this was on LSD at a competitive paintball event. I could visualize the paintball streams coming at me as solid lines. I knew exactly where people were shooting at. It stood out very prominently. But also, I could “feel” an opponent moving on the other side of the field. We were ~20 meters/yards apart behind opposite bunkers but I knew exactly where and when he was moving. I could feel his moves through the ground. Like we were both remotely connected like the mycelium of a mushroom. His left movements pulled me to the right. We were connected together. I’m really grateful to have experienced these things.
therobots927 1y ago
My favorite part about magic mushrooms is the impact on my visual field. Colors get incredibly vibrant and at higher doses everything gets fractalized, especially if you’re looking at things like trees. If they only came with the visual effects, not the panic-inducing feeling of floating out of my body, I would take them much more frequently than once or twice a year.
Workaccount2 1y ago
The thing about psychedelics that is hard (really, impossible) to convey to the uninitiated is that the hallucinations are a secondary effect. The real show is the bending of your consciousness, which no image, video, or written description can really capture. It's akin to trying to describe color to a blind person.
moribvndvs 11mo ago
I am very intrigued by hallucinogens, but I am a risk-adverse person and an unregulated market makes me very uncomfortable. A friend of a friend grew mushrooms and I tried them last year; alas, I under-dosed. In the meantime, I’ve experienced the ganzfeld effect via sensory deprivation a bunch, which is kind of a lot of effort for an extremely mild and unreliable effect, but when it works it’s quite enjoyable. The worst that happens is no hallucination but I have a very peaceful meditative session, so there’s no real downside. Just a little sidebar for my curious but mild people out there.

I have such vivid memories of experiencing many of these things in infancy and early childhood. Especially pareidolia, mild object activation, and scenery slicing. Hasn't really happened much in almost thirty years. Is there any research on like, if this is a side effect of brain development? It's always made me wonder.

gyomu 1y ago
Discussed in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44804768 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44804768

gyomu 1y ago

The article is a short selection from a more complete website: https://www.effectindex.com/effects https://www.effectindex.com/effects The effort is purely descriptive and does not seem to correlate the various effects with their cause (nothing wrong with that, still interesting). This article provides a good overview of various theories: https://www.quantamagazine.org/a-math-theory-for-why-people-hallucinate-20180730/ https://www.quantamagazine.org/a-math-theory-for-why-people-...

ashleyn 1y ago
What I find very interesting is the strong resemblance to dreams some generative image/video AI can produce.
- toastar 1y ago
  I had struggled to describe a bad trip I'd had until some of the text-to-video models from a few years ago became more accessible and nailed the morphing visuals and general uneasiness I'd felt, of course it was unintentional. The recent increase in quality has erased those features for better or for worse.
- dylan604 1y ago
  It makes sense though. Our brains are constantly trying to recognize familiar out of everything it sees. The DeepDream from Googs does essentially the same thing. Starting with static, it "finds" patterns that then leads to seeing even more patterns that start to be recognizable. Or the other system that kept finding Ryan Gosling in images he clearly was not in. The DeepDream starting with static definitely reminds me of closing my eyes and watching the show with a head full of something.
temp0826 1y ago
Fun list, I'm glad there is language around some of this. I've drank ayahuasca around 500 times personally in a traditional context (somewhat of an apprenticeship setting) and have experienced most of these effects. In the tradition I've been learning, it's pretty fascinating just how vast the indigenous understanding of that space is- they really have words for everything and the mechanisms behind what they see (as well as an understanding of how those things manifest outside of that space, in normal waking life). And more importantly how those things can be worked with and released through the practice. We're really only beginning to scratch the surface here (in the "western" context) but at least it's starting.
- tayo42 1y ago
  That's crazy? Once a week for 10 years? Everyday for almost 2?
  - temp0826 1y ago
    The place I was at drinks 4 times a week (9-10 months out of the year), I usually did twice/week. The shamans drink every time, thousands of ceremonies under their belts over many years.
  - Aurornis 1y ago
    One of my old friends got involved with a group drinking ayahuasca frequently. In their case they were taking lower doses than are traditionally associated with the one-off stories you hear about people traveling for ceremonies. There is also a tolerance build up that lessens the overt effects. However, it still resulted in some major mental health issues over time. He was outwardly happy and cheerful, but the longer you talked to him the more you realized he had developed impossible ideas about reality, distorted (and easily debunked with photos and other records) memories of past events, and a lot of mystical ideas about the world. He had mostly learned to hide them from people who weren’t in his group. When you got a couple of them ayahuasca people together and they started talking about mysticism, telepathy, and dismissing “western science” it started to reveal how far he was down the rabbit hole. He has since gone MIA, though we get signs that he’s still alive and active from time to time via social media. The way it changed him was scary, though.

optimalsolver 1y ago

It can get real bad: https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/gb9ar0/dark_dmt_trip_report/ https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/gb9ar0/dark_dmt_trip_r...

embedding-shape 1y ago
So can embarking on building a startup: https://ideas.darden.virginia.edu/theranos-darden-case https://ideas.darden.virginia.edu/theranos-darden-case Neither cases prove that either ecosystems are net-negative compared to the overall benefits.

thot_experiment 1y ago

Salvia is such a slept on hallucinogen, I would highly recommend it if you have experience tripping. It's legal in California. It's not fun in the way party drugs or low dose mushrooms are, it's more of a type-2 fun, not necessarily fun in the moment but sure as hell gives you a unique experience to reflect on when you're sober 10 minutes later.

gryfft 1y ago
> more of a type-2 fun, not necessarily fun in the moment This is a funny and accurate way of looking at it. After trying it a few times I felt like I had seen everything salvia had to show me. A dissociative kaleidoscope that leaves you coughing and sweaty loses its novelty pretty quick.
- thot_experiment 1y ago
  I haven't touched it in many years as well (though this thread has made me curious how I would feel about it now, so I may change that), but I think I attribute a lot of my general stability/resilience to bad trips when it comes to hallucinogens to my salvia use giving me experience with a mindstate that can easily tip into an H.R. Geiger kaleidoscope as you said.
ProllyInfamous 1y ago
>sure as hell gives you a unique experience IMHO not worth it — salvia is terrifying much more often than mushrooms / acid. Definitely not something for a "first time psychonaut," and certainly shouldn't be legal. Among my most terrifying dissassociative moments (you will not know who you, nor anything else, is).
- thot_experiment 1y ago
  Correct, even though it was the first hallucinogenic substance I ever tried I would not recommend that other people do the same thing, the potential for a bad trip if you're inexperienced is very high.
1y ago

user68858788 1y ago

I would love to try hallucinogens but I’m worried that it’ll aggravate my HPPD. It’s a pretty rare condition, and only a single optometrist I’ve spoken with actually believes I experience it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_perception_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_percep...

noman-land 1y ago
Have you seen the interviews about HPPD that Andrew Callaghan has done? He's a long time sufferer as well. Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder - 5CAST with Andrew Callaghan (#4) feat. Dr. Wesley Ryan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9pK4q7_VUc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9pK4q7_VUc
- user68858788 1y ago
  No, I haven’t. Thank you for the link!
Aurornis 1y ago
HPPD is by definition a lasting effect of hallucinogens. The diagnostic criteria begins with the phrase “Following cessation of hallucinogen use” If you’ve never tried hallucinogens, you wouldn’t really qualify as having HPPD. There are other terms for visual issues that people can experience that look similar, but HPPD is specifically a hallucinogen-triggered condition. I do agree, though: If you’re already having visual issues it would be very wise to avoid hallucinogens.
- user68858788 1y ago
  My best guess is that HPPD was triggered by how I used NyQuil as a young teen. I would drink half a bottle, sleep for half the day, and wake up feeling better. I did this pretty regularly for a few years whenever I got sick.
  - Majora320 1y ago

sambapa 1y ago

This article is a lazy ctrl-c from psychonautwiki. For example: https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Geometry#8B_-_Perceived_exposure_to_inner_mechanics_of_consciousness https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Geometry#8B_-_Perceived_expo...

kristenfrench 1y ago
I'm so sorry you did not enjoy it! We wanted to bring Josie Kins' index and research to our readers and did reach out to them for a bit of background.
- jamal-kumar 1y ago
  I enjoyed it, people like to complain. If you wanna go further back on sources there's some pretty good stuff in like, math magazines hahaha https://plus.maths.org/content/uncoiling-spiral-maths-and-hallucinations https://plus.maths.org/content/uncoiling-spiral-maths-and-ha...
  - kristenfrench 1y ago
    Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it. Just checked that link out and whoa, very cool.
    - jamal-kumar 11mo ago
      Yeah Bresseloff is the man. Def check his work out, Ralph Abrams passed away recently (RIP) but he definitely had some words to say about all this stuff too, used to talk a lot with Mckenna and the unfortunate crank Sheldrake in trialogues which are fun reading if you got a mind open to that kind of thing https://bressloff.github.io/index.html https://bressloff.github.io/index.html Some other links - not only how the cortex got its stripes but how the leopard got its spots. You see alot of this math in psychedelic visuals now (Reaction-diffusion networks etc) https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5056826/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5056826/ https://plus.maths.org/content/how-leopard-got-its-spots https://plus.maths.org/content/how-leopard-got-its-spots

takoid 1y ago

If you’re interested in accurate examples of visual effects of hallucinogens, check out /r/Replications. Some of them are shockingly accurate. Here are some good examples: https://reddit.com/r/replications/comments/1ll9k7o/flight/ https://reddit.com/r/replications/comments/1ll9k7o/flight/ https://reddit.com/r/replications/comments/1jkajcq/that_moment_when_a_brick_wall_becomes_alive_on/ https://reddit.com/r/replications/comments/1jkajcq/that_mome... https://reddit.com/r/replications/comments/1hruv4t/just_visiting_one_of_those_hyperspace_rooms_again/ https://reddit.com/r/replications/comments/1hruv4t/just_visi...

sho_hn 1y ago
This is very cool. I have never been on drugs and don't plan to ever change that, but it's very interesting to get an impression of the experience. I have to say it's a bit underwhelming. It's interesting how the closest analog I can think lf is early generative image AI hallucinatory stuff.
- gyomu 1y ago
  > I have to say it's a bit underwhelming Well, yeah. It’s like watching a video of a rollercoaster on your phone, vs riding in one.
  - sho_hn 1y ago
    It's not that it didn't occur to me. Sure I understand I'm missing the immediacy and the visceral effect here, and I presume the parallel impact on other senses. But then again if I was the sort of person that mattered to, my outlook would probably be different. I'm fine with others having different preferences. I would say to me these videos work wonders in confirming a little bit that I'm not really missing out. There's a lot of FOMO and myth-making around drugs, I think experience reports and replications are a pretty good way to make everyone's decisions more informed whether it's "for them". This could totally be some form of confirmation bias at work, but it works for me ...
    - 1y ago

throwpoaster 1y ago

According to Chat GPT, Nautilus still hasn’t paid its writers after the 2018 dispute.

analog8374 1y ago

I perceive a river of sights, sounds, smells, vibes, thoughts and emotions. And that's just a narrow slice. There's also a whole vast continent of nameless stuff too. Hallucinogens change my perspective of that river. Stuff I didn't notice I start noticing. My careful sample of the river, cultivated over a lifetime, gets jiggled and smeared all over and much that was invisible becomes visible. That said, I prefer shikantaza meditation.

neom 1y ago

The compound and the dose are predictably the same for me, but varied between them. Low dose shrooms: One with nature, universal love, watching everything alive breath. Mid dose shrooms: I become an aztec snake, get geometry, structural universe. High dose shrooms: Past life journeys and childhood memories. Low dose acid: lo-fi geometric one love reality. Mid dose: reality is electric, seeing/feeling the "walls of reality". High dose: electric, electric, what is this thing, synthetic geometry is reality? Everything looks like electricity. 2cb low dose: saturation on 3000%, everything is the light it should be and reveals itself as such. mid dose: opposite of ego death maybe? super embodied, no fractal stuff etc, but more looks like a "rubber" reality. High dose: for me not visual or auditory, very physical almost... physical hallucinations? Melting into things, becoming them etc. The list goes on, but it's interesting how different yet the same they all kinda feel... guess that tracks given what are actually limited variables.

Gooblebrai 1y ago
> High dose of 2cb: Melting into things, becoming them You mean like Salvia? I didn't know 2cb had this effect as well
- neom 1y ago
  I've not had that experience with Salvia but I've read about what I presume you're talking about and I don't believe they are the same. 2cb feels like boundary dissolution, I'm still very much me but my edges have melted into the...couch, pillow, sheet. I think become them is way too strong of a term when compared to Salvia, I think Salvia is more towards ego replacement but 2cb is more somatic boundary changes. The 2cb effect is extremely pleasant.

lolive 1y ago

Schopenhauer

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comeonbro 1y ago

Best recreation that I've seen (by a large margin) of the visual experience of a mushroom trip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BxiYkCPZwI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BxiYkCPZwI

ChrisArchitect 1y ago

(2023) Discussion then: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36207268 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36207268

inshard 1y ago

I’ve occasionally seen and understood physical shapes and concepts while dreaming, which I was unable to describe or articulate in the real world once awake. It’s as if I recall how it made me feel, but I can’t describe what it was. Like the memory of a face you saw just once.

wcchandler 1y ago

Anecdotally speaking, I believe many of these to be largely true and a good respresentation. I never thought about the machinescapes visual and that is very spot on. That was over 20 years ago on Salvi. I was in a basement and visualized a train driving through the wall. The thing that stood out the most is the detail of the train. It looked like an old steam train and nothing like I had ever seen before in person. Was really cool and fun experience and really short lived. All done in like 15 minutes. Never really noticed the level of detail that was present until just now looking back on it. Another great experience I had that was captured well in this was on LSD at a competitive paintball event. I could visualize the paintball streams coming at me as solid lines. I knew exactly where people were shooting at. It stood out very prominently. But also, I could “feel” an opponent moving on the other side of the field. We were ~20 meters/yards apart behind opposite bunkers but I knew exactly where and when he was moving. I could feel his moves through the ground. Like we were both remotely connected like the mycelium of a mushroom. His left movements pulled me to the right. We were connected together. I’m really grateful to have experienced these things.

therobots927 1y ago

My favorite part about magic mushrooms is the impact on my visual field. Colors get incredibly vibrant and at higher doses everything gets fractalized, especially if you’re looking at things like trees. If they only came with the visual effects, not the panic-inducing feeling of floating out of my body, I would take them much more frequently than once or twice a year.

Workaccount2 1y ago

The thing about psychedelics that is hard (really, impossible) to convey to the uninitiated is that the hallucinations are a secondary effect. The real show is the bending of your consciousness, which no image, video, or written description can really capture. It's akin to trying to describe color to a blind person.

moribvndvs 11mo ago

I am very intrigued by hallucinogens, but I am a risk-adverse person and an unregulated market makes me very uncomfortable. A friend of a friend grew mushrooms and I tried them last year; alas, I under-dosed. In the meantime, I’ve experienced the ganzfeld effect via sensory deprivation a bunch, which is kind of a lot of effort for an extremely mild and unreliable effect, but when it works it’s quite enjoyable. The worst that happens is no hallucination but I have a very peaceful meditative session, so there’s no real downside. Just a little sidebar for my curious but mild people out there.