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I know this is from 2021, but for the love of god stop with the toggles. I have one toggle, it works system-wide. Respect it. You don't have to guess what theme

by halapro 11mo ago

I know this is from 2021, but for the love of god stop with the toggles. I have one toggle, it works system-wide. Respect it. You don't have to guess what theme I want, I already told my OS.

kccqzy 11mo ago
Strong disagree here. Many apps don't implement dark mode in the way I want. They seem to think dark mode is for conserving battery life on OLED displays and make the majority of their UI #000000. That's not what I want. I want a subtle shade of grey. I'd rather choose light mode for an individual app if that app doesn't implement dark mode correctly. Another point is that some types of content just don't work with dark mode. Maps for example. I have used multiple apps that use maps or present data on a map. None of the maps look good when dark. As such I always turn off dark mode if an app displays maps as part of its main user journey.
- JoshTriplett 11mo ago
  Interesting, this is the first time I've heard that opinion. For myself, I get annoyed whenever a dark mode isn't #000000; it's not about saving battery, it's about the pixels being off, which I find more readable. (I got an OLED specifically because it makes it more comfortable spending time in a terminal.) Can you say more about your use case and why you prefer gray over black?
  - kccqzy 11mo ago
    Black is too much contrast. The high contrast simply hurts my eyes. For a gray theme nicely done, look at the GitHub gray theme (called "soft dark") as an example.
    - JoshTriplett 11mo ago
      Fascinating. Different use cases for different people. On GitHub, I use the default dark mode ("dark default") and then enable "high contrast", which makes the background black. (I also get annoyed when light modes are dark grey on light grey, rather than black on white for maximum contrast.) There's a CSS preference for contrast. It seems easy enough to handle `@media(prefers-contrast: low)` and set a gray background. The contentious part would presumably be the default; I would have thought #000000 was the obvious default for a dark mode but apparently that's not what everyone prefers. Ideally, OSes and browsers would expose controls for this in a straightforward way, the way they handle dark mode. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/Reference/At-rules/@media/prefers-contrast https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/Reference/A...
- 6031769 11mo ago
  Sure, but the default for any app should be to use the setting from the OS/DE/WM and only diverge from that if the user consciously decides to alter it in the app's settings (in whichever direction).
- lucasban 11mo ago
  My understanding is that white on pure black can be troublesome for people with a certain level of astigmatism as they will experience halation, which can make things appear blurrier.
- marcosdumay 11mo ago
  > That's not what I want. I want a subtle shade of grey. Does your preference change if you reduce your screen brightness? Bright features over a really dark background can be unsettling, but that's about screen adjustment, not really about the software colors. Anyway, I do argue that people shouldn't just pick #000 and #fff by default. But that's because if you are already using the extremes of your palette, you can't get a more extreme one when you need to emphasize something. The arguments on "unnatural" colors and visual preferences all seem baseless to me, because those numbers don't correspond with any actual physical color, they are all relative. About dark maps, I've seen it done well. Exactly once, and I can't point you the software because it was embedded and I don't remember what the device was. But as hard as it seems to be, it is still possible.
gadrev 11mo ago
Just like sibling here, hard disagree. I don't like all toggles to be gone since dark mode quality varies a lot, and also I may want some sites or apps one way and some another way. So removing the choice and slapping all configuration under a single "dark/light" browser toggle really annoys me, especially when sites stop providing the toggles because it's more convenient to just use the CSS property and do less. To me it's another step in the dumbing down of the UIs that I regret. Perfectly ok with defaulting to that global setting though. Similar vibes to the relative date infection with no option to opt out and get the full date in most sites nowadays.

by halapro 11mo ago

I know this is from 2021, but for the love of god stop with the toggles. I have one toggle, it works system-wide. Respect it. You don't have to guess what theme I want, I already told my OS.

kccqzy 11mo ago

Strong disagree here. Many apps don't implement dark mode in the way I want. They seem to think dark mode is for conserving battery life on OLED displays and make the majority of their UI #000000. That's not what I want. I want a subtle shade of grey. I'd rather choose light mode for an individual app if that app doesn't implement dark mode correctly. Another point is that some types of content just don't work with dark mode. Maps for example. I have used multiple apps that use maps or present data on a map. None of the maps look good when dark. As such I always turn off dark mode if an app displays maps as part of its main user journey.

JoshTriplett 11mo ago
Interesting, this is the first time I've heard that opinion. For myself, I get annoyed whenever a dark mode isn't #000000; it's not about saving battery, it's about the pixels being off, which I find more readable. (I got an OLED specifically because it makes it more comfortable spending time in a terminal.) Can you say more about your use case and why you prefer gray over black?
- kccqzy 11mo ago
  Black is too much contrast. The high contrast simply hurts my eyes. For a gray theme nicely done, look at the GitHub gray theme (called "soft dark") as an example.
  - JoshTriplett 11mo ago
    Fascinating. Different use cases for different people. On GitHub, I use the default dark mode ("dark default") and then enable "high contrast", which makes the background black. (I also get annoyed when light modes are dark grey on light grey, rather than black on white for maximum contrast.) There's a CSS preference for contrast. It seems easy enough to handle `@media(prefers-contrast: low)` and set a gray background. The contentious part would presumably be the default; I would have thought #000000 was the obvious default for a dark mode but apparently that's not what everyone prefers. Ideally, OSes and browsers would expose controls for this in a straightforward way, the way they handle dark mode. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/Reference/At-rules/@media/prefers-contrast https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/Reference/A...
6031769 11mo ago
Sure, but the default for any app should be to use the setting from the OS/DE/WM and only diverge from that if the user consciously decides to alter it in the app's settings (in whichever direction).
lucasban 11mo ago
My understanding is that white on pure black can be troublesome for people with a certain level of astigmatism as they will experience halation, which can make things appear blurrier.
marcosdumay 11mo ago
> That's not what I want. I want a subtle shade of grey. Does your preference change if you reduce your screen brightness? Bright features over a really dark background can be unsettling, but that's about screen adjustment, not really about the software colors. Anyway, I do argue that people shouldn't just pick #000 and #fff by default. But that's because if you are already using the extremes of your palette, you can't get a more extreme one when you need to emphasize something. The arguments on "unnatural" colors and visual preferences all seem baseless to me, because those numbers don't correspond with any actual physical color, they are all relative. About dark maps, I've seen it done well. Exactly once, and I can't point you the software because it was embedded and I don't remember what the device was. But as hard as it seems to be, it is still possible.

gadrev 11mo ago

Just like sibling here, hard disagree. I don't like all toggles to be gone since dark mode quality varies a lot, and also I may want some sites or apps one way and some another way. So removing the choice and slapping all configuration under a single "dark/light" browser toggle really annoys me, especially when sites stop providing the toggles because it's more convenient to just use the CSS property and do less. To me it's another step in the dumbing down of the UIs that I regret. Perfectly ok with defaulting to that global setting though. Similar vibes to the relative date infection with no option to opt out and get the full date in most sites nowadays.