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That is not political, it is purely a service offered at a price. There is no specific political agenda behind these pardons (i.e., they don't pardon only folks

That is not political, it is purely a service offered at a price. There is no specific political agenda behind these pardons (i.e., they don't pardon only folks who are, for example, Evangelicals or anti-immigration or whatever), the only criteria is payment.

ElevenLathe 1y ago
Selling pardons for money is inherently a very political act. It means that you are aligning yourself with moneyed interests, which is clearly the heart of Trumpist politics. Setting ideology aside even, the open selling of pardons sends the message to the moneyed interests in general that he's on their side, even if they don't need a pardon at this exact moment. It serves both practical (get rich people to like you and therefore donate money to your campaigns and causes to help them succeed) and ideological (supply-sider-esque doctrine going back to at least the protestant reformation says that rich people should be in charge because they're rich, QED) purposes.
lesuorac 1y ago
> [1] Politics > Politics (from Ancient Greek πολιτικά (politiká) 'affairs of the cities') is the set of activities that are associated with making decisions in groups, or other forms of power relations among individuals, such as the distribution of status or resources. I don't know how much more obvious I can make this for you. Bribery is political. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics
- deleted 1y ago
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- sapphicsnail 1y ago
  Word meanings evolve. Virtue literally means "manliness" in Classical Latin but only a pedantic dick would insist we use it in that sense. Polis and it's related words meant something different to the Greeks than they do to us.
  - lesuorac 1y ago
    Right, "Politics" evolved from "affairs of the cities" to "the set of activities that are associated with making decisions in groups, or other forms of power relations among individuals, such as the distribution of status or resources.".
  - doubletwoyou 1y ago
    it’s the current meaning he’s reciting he’s just adding etymological context
  - hekkle 1y ago
    Well akchooally the word man up until very recently meant human, so manliness, meant the state of being manly, AKA a human.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > Bribery is political Bribery is political. But it's not taken to be a usual part of politics in the West. (Similar to how the Roman word for ambush was the same as their word for treason. Treason isn't taken to be a usual part of politics. Ambush, for them, not a usual part of warfare.) Basically, you're both right because what is and isn't political is itself a political question.
- rurban 1y ago
  Politics (from the first Wikipedia pages) The word ‘politics’ is derived from the word ‘poly’ meaning ‘many’, and the word ‘ticks’ meaning ‘blood sucking parasites’ First at rec.humor.funny on October 11, 1992
ratelimitsteve 1y ago
I'd like for you to define "political" please.
FilosofumRex 1y ago
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mexicocitinluez 1y ago
> they don't pardon only folks who are, for example, Evangelicals or anti-immigration or whatever Who has Trump pardoned that wasn't a supporter of his?
- lostlogin 1y ago
  You can go one further. Who has Trump pardoned that wasn’t a complete scumbag? https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-donald-trump-pardons-second-term-2077874 https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-donald-trump-pardons-seco...
  - mexicocitinluez 1y ago
    Touche.
pyuser583 1y ago
The hypothetical pardon was promised by then candidate-Trump in a speech at the Libertarian Party convention. The specific political agenda was to get support from libertarians, who lean conservative, but don't like Trump much - because he rejects libertarianism. That's as political as you can possibly get. It wasn't a behind the scenes thing. It was literally announced at a political convention.
victorbjorklund 1y ago
I am pretty sure that they only pardon people who are pro or at least neutral to Trump. I doubt that he would part on anybody who's an outspoken critic even if they offered him a bribe.

ElevenLathe 1y ago

Selling pardons for money is inherently a very political act. It means that you are aligning yourself with moneyed interests, which is clearly the heart of Trumpist politics. Setting ideology aside even, the open selling of pardons sends the message to the moneyed interests in general that he's on their side, even if they don't need a pardon at this exact moment. It serves both practical (get rich people to like you and therefore donate money to your campaigns and causes to help them succeed) and ideological (supply-sider-esque doctrine going back to at least the protestant reformation says that rich people should be in charge because they're rich, QED) purposes.

lesuorac 1y ago

> [1] Politics > Politics (from Ancient Greek πολιτικά (politiká) 'affairs of the cities') is the set of activities that are associated with making decisions in groups, or other forms of power relations among individuals, such as the distribution of status or resources. I don't know how much more obvious I can make this for you. Bribery is political. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics

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sapphicsnail 1y ago
Word meanings evolve. Virtue literally means "manliness" in Classical Latin but only a pedantic dick would insist we use it in that sense. Polis and it's related words meant something different to the Greeks than they do to us.
- lesuorac 1y ago
  Right, "Politics" evolved from "affairs of the cities" to "the set of activities that are associated with making decisions in groups, or other forms of power relations among individuals, such as the distribution of status or resources.".
- doubletwoyou 1y ago
  it’s the current meaning he’s reciting he’s just adding etymological context
- hekkle 1y ago
  Well akchooally the word man up until very recently meant human, so manliness, meant the state of being manly, AKA a human.
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> Bribery is political Bribery is political. But it's not taken to be a usual part of politics in the West. (Similar to how the Roman word for ambush was the same as their word for treason. Treason isn't taken to be a usual part of politics. Ambush, for them, not a usual part of warfare.) Basically, you're both right because what is and isn't political is itself a political question.
rurban 1y ago
Politics (from the first Wikipedia pages) The word ‘politics’ is derived from the word ‘poly’ meaning ‘many’, and the word ‘ticks’ meaning ‘blood sucking parasites’ First at rec.humor.funny on October 11, 1992

ratelimitsteve 1y ago

I'd like for you to define "political" please.

FilosofumRex 1y ago

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mexicocitinluez 1y ago

> they don't pardon only folks who are, for example, Evangelicals or anti-immigration or whatever Who has Trump pardoned that wasn't a supporter of his?

lostlogin 1y ago
You can go one further. Who has Trump pardoned that wasn’t a complete scumbag? https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-donald-trump-pardons-second-term-2077874 https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-donald-trump-pardons-seco...
- mexicocitinluez 1y ago
  Touche.

pyuser583 1y ago

The hypothetical pardon was promised by then candidate-Trump in a speech at the Libertarian Party convention. The specific political agenda was to get support from libertarians, who lean conservative, but don't like Trump much - because he rejects libertarianism. That's as political as you can possibly get. It wasn't a behind the scenes thing. It was literally announced at a political convention.

victorbjorklund 1y ago

I am pretty sure that they only pardon people who are pro or at least neutral to Trump. I doubt that he would part on anybody who's an outspoken critic even if they offered him a bribe.