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isnt that the minority leader?
by tekno45 11mo ago
isnt that the minority leader?
- SilverElfin 11mo ago[flagged]
- Trasmatta 11mo agoThe Republican party has the power to negotiate with the Democrats at any point and reopen the government. This is a Republican shutdown, through and through.
- trelane 11mo ago... and conversely, so do Democrats. Amazingly, Republicans were also blamed when the sides were reversed. If you're determined to blame someone, it is always possible to find a way to phrase things so it's their fault.
- danaris 11mo ago> Amazingly, Republicans were also blamed when the sides were reversed. Because again and again, it is Republicans who show they are uninterested in governance, while Democrats demonstrate their commitment to it—even if they are sometimes bad at it.
- CamperBob2 11mo agoThe Republicans hold sway over all three branches of government. They can reopen the government anytime they wish. Why do you suppose they're not doing that?
- trelane 11mo agoIt requires 60 votes, and the Republicans don't have enough of a majority, even if they were to all vote with the party. https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5588295-spending-bill-government-shutdown-vote/ https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5588295-spending-bill-go...
- herufang 11mo agoIt does not require 60 votes. 60 votes is just a convention that republicans are choosing to abide by. The republicans could pass a funding bill tomorrow with a simple 50 vote majority, but they are choosing not to because it makes it easier to blame democrats (which you are falling for hook, line, sinker).
- Trasmatta 11mo agoNo, they cannot pass it with a 50 vote majority unless they end the filibuster. Ending the filibuster does not currently have support in the Republican congress, because of the intense political risks associated with that.
- herufang 11mo agoSo the republicans have the power to do a thing but are choosing not to do a thing? Yea, that’s exactly what I said.
- Trasmatta 11mo agoI don't think you understand the implications of ending the filibuster if you think this is just about convention, or "making it easier to blame the Democrats". Trump would love to end the filibuster, but the Republican congress is having to think very hard about what it would mean for them if and when the Democrats retake control of the Senate.
- herufang 11mo agoI understand the implications. I don’t know what that has to do with I said. The republicans have the power the end the shutdown tomorrow without the democrats, but they are choosing not to.
- jandrewrogers 11mo agoThe Democrats are using their veto power in the Senate. So no, the Republicans can't reopen the government anytime they wish.
- CamperBob2 11mo agoAre you sure that's how it works, or is that just what somebody told you? In the latter case, you've been lied to, and you need to go back to that person and ask them why they did that.
- jandrewrogers 11mo agoDon't pretend ignorance, it is unbecoming and dishonest. You know how the process works. For historical reasons it requires 60 votes in the Senate for all intents and purposes to re-open the government, which the Republicans don't have. I've never been a Republican but the line of argument you are pursuing is gross no matter who does it. Have some self-respect.
- CamperBob2 11mo agoYou'll have no problem citing a source for those "historical reasons," then. Correct?
- jandrewrogers 11mo agoI've been a Federal employee (multiple times) through prior shutdowns and have worked in Washington DC off and on over decades. I don't have much time for low-effort political rage bait from people that have no willingness to engage with reality. Your ignorance of how Federal politics works is not my problem. Plenty of other ways you could learn if you were actually interested.
- CamperBob2 11mo ago[flagged]
- tjpnz 11mo agoSounds like he's asking for a compromise and the other side is refusing to give an inch.
- Trasmatta 11mo agoExactly this. The Republican party is refusing to negotiate and compromise, and somehow it's the Democrats fault for not just completely capitulating?
- ModernMech 11mo agoInsofar as Schumer has the power to block the funding, Senate Republicans have the power to unblock Schumer's block. They just don't want to use it, because they feel it would not be politically advantageous in the future. The problem they have now is, at the end of the day, voters understand the buck stops at Resolute desk, and Schumer is not sitting there.
- Trasmatta 11mo agoYeah, they could end the filibuster, but they're terrified of what that would mean if and when Democrats take control of the Senate again. The Republican party plans to never leave power again, but they're not actually confident they can pull it off. If they were, the filibuster would be gone already. Last night's election was a good example of why that scares them.
- terminalshort 11mo ago> voters understand the buck stops at Resolute desk They do think that, but it's an incredibly stupid way to think about the US government. The president isn't a dictator.
- ModernMech 11mo agoWith great power comes great responsibility. If the most powerful person in the world doesn't bear ultimate responsibility when the party he controls can't fund the government he runs, who else is responsible? It doesn't matter he's not a dictator, he's POTUS, he's the leader. The throne comes equipped with a sword dangling above it. Past presidents understood assuming ultimate responsibility is in the job description, and voters understand it as well. Maybe you think it's incredibly stupid, but I think it's a hallmark of a great leader to assume ultimate responsibility, especially when negative outcomes are not in his control. Conversely, I think weak, feckless leaders pass the buck to subordinates and/or opponents.
- terminalshort 11mo agoPast presidents tried their best to weasel their way out of any responsibility for things going wrong and blame the other side for everything. That's being a politician. The only difference is that the power levels on Trump's reality distortion field are miles past what anyone thought possible in 2015.
- trelane 11mo agoThat is the joke, yes.