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Part of this is down to musk being an obnoxious prick, but a larger part is down to teslas not actually being innovative, cheap or high quality enough any more.
by KaiserPro 1y ago
Part of this is down to musk being an obnoxious prick, but a larger part is down to teslas not actually being innovative, cheap or high quality enough any more.
They look dated, or weird, have patchy customer service, and are not even that long range anymore.
- pimeys 1y agoThey are all over Berlin as rentals, which you can rent from your phone, and pay per kilometer. People can test drive them easily, and they are not super nice cars. We much prefer the Audis, Toyotas, and Volkswagens that are also in the pool.
- rstupek 1y agoFrom US sales, Audi can't give away their electric cars. Is it any different in Berlin or are you referring to gas/diesel Audis?
- bryanlarsen 1y agoThe VW group sells 13 different vehicles built on the MEB platform. The id.4 alone sells comparably to the Tesla Y, but if you consider all 13 the same car they are far and away the best selling car in Europe. Considering all 13 the same might be a stretch, but if you just take the 6 that are the same size as the id.4 you still end up with the same result.
- dzhiurgis 1y agoIn 10-20-30 years, which one do you think you'll be able to maintain - obscure VW ID.4.324.7-cz or Tesla Model Y?
- _aavaa_ 1y agoIs this a trick question? I know the Tesla software locks as much as possible to prevent third party repairs.
- dzhiurgis 1y agoHuh? All cars are software locked. With Tesla at least you can pay $5 per day to use their tools (and you NEED their tools because they are up to date with cars firmware). I'm sure once cars are EOL'd Tesla will release final version of diagnostics, like they did with Roadster - https://github.com/teslamotors/roadster https://github.com/teslamotors/roadster
- gnabgib 1y agoAll? My 1927 Ford doesn't seem to understand bluetooth
- bryanlarsen 1y agoThe VW, obviously. With most parts shared across 13 models and all models static for at least a year and usually longer. Plus VW has a good history of parts availability. Tesla on the other hand is famous for both making minor changes to their vehicles pretty much continuously and a bad history of parts availability.
- dzhiurgis 1y ago1M cars over 13 models mean you’ll have no parts at all. 10M identical cars means there’s massive third party supply. Parts are already cheaper than Toyota’s.
- rsynnott 1y agoTeslas very much aren't identical over models. Remember this? https://www.extremetech.com/cars/314871-tesla-model-y-owners-confused-to-find-wood-bracing-car-components https://www.extremetech.com/cars/314871-tesla-model-y-owners...
- dzhiurgis 1y agoMoot point over a bracket when car has over 30k total parts.
- bryanlarsen 1y agoA typical car sells tens of thousands per year and has no problem with parts availability. 1M cars is even easier.
- dzhiurgis 1y agoRivian and Lucid sells like 15k per quarter and is on verge of bankruptcy.
- orwin 1y agoI have hosted the models (mostly regression and random forest) WV use to predict missing part availability at their dealership in 2018-2020 (considering sales in the area, average fabrication/delivery time, likeliness of the part having to be replaced, probably others). I guarantee you that even if I don't like their car, their dealership will very likely have the part you need around the time you need it. It's not the only car-adjacent company that does something like this (Valeo for sure does it too, i worked with them also), but I'm pretty sure it's the only one who has an internal data scientist team working on it.
- dzhiurgis 1y ago[flagged]
- rsynnott 1y ago... What makes you think a VW ID.4 is obscure? I think it's usually the best-selling electric car in Europe. You see way more of those with recent (last few years) registrations in Dublin than Teslas.
- dzhiurgis 1y agoLess than 1M units total sold worldwide or about 10x less.
- pimeys 1y agoGas/diesel mostly.
- dzhiurgis 1y agoThey are still insanely good value for money. Buying car for its looks is not smart. Yet (salute + support for ADF party) * touchy german history = auto non-grata.
- m463 1y agoI think the model s, model 3 or the previous model y look great. The recent model y looks terrible, like a duck. And the ergonomics are cheap and dangerous. Removing turn signal stalks, drive select stalks is dangerous. I like the idea of buttons, but turn signal buttons? buttons on a moving steering wheel? and the rest of the critical controls buried on a touchscreen? inside door handles? ugh.
- mvdtnz 1y ago> I think the model s, model 3 or the previous model y look great. They look terrible. They looked terrible when they came out 13, 8 and 5 years ago and they have aged very poorly.
- cosmicgadget 1y agoI think we will solve this aesthetics dispute with additional, more emphatic, back and forth.
- m463 1y agowell, sales say apparently not so much forth as the cybertruck.