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I wouldn't think "sovereign" EU data would be protected from US snooping either, unless the Five Eyes Plus alliance is going to be dissolved. Even then...

GTP 1y ago
Well, not relying on US cloud would already be a giant step in the right direction, by making it significantly harder to snoop on the data.
- 1123581321 1y ago
  I don't believe that's the case because the intelligence pooling is meant to remove cross-border friction. A general breakdown of western alliances would probably be required (and maybe that's where we're headed.)
  - dboreham 1y ago
    > A general breakdown of western alliances would probably be required Hearing a distant shout of "hold my beer" from the White House...
  - timeon 1y ago
    Not just headed, it is already in the process.
blibble 1y ago
I suspect the other 4 eyes are somewhat less willing to do the US regime's bidding these days
- emodendroket 1y ago
  On what basis?
  - fragmede 1y ago
    Might have Something to do with the current US administration tweeting pictures of confidential material in the past, exposing their capabilities to the world. Intelligence community members tend to hold their cards close to their chests.
    - emodendroket 1y ago
      I mean, do you see any actual moves they’ve made to move away from the US? I don’t. They always make a lot of noise about how this time they’re not going to take the depredations of the US before doing just that.
      - fragmede 1y ago
        I'm flattered that you think that the intelligence agencies of the four other "eyes", Australia, Canada, New Zealand; would tell me their moves, or that I'd hear about it, but honestly, I'm not that important. Seriously though, what are you expecting to hear? For the CSIS to post to Twitter what they're hiding from the CIA, as if the CIA hasn't heard of Twitter or something? Or for the GCSB to broadcast which billionaires are making bunkers in Hammer Springs to /r/secretbillionairebunkers like someone is wrong on WarThunder? What I'm saying is the spooks of their respective countries are just gonna keep a bit more to themselves and not tell the US because the think someone in the current US administration is going to leak it, putting their assets at risk. The respective secret agencies haven't put out coordinated press releases saying they're doing this or gone on the talk show tour to talk about it, so I have no proof, but it seems quite possible to me that they are.
IsTom 1y ago
With UK out there's no Five Eyes members in EU.
- 1123581321 1y ago
  "Plus" is key - Five Eyes Plus includes EU members France and Germany, at minimum. It's a comfortable informal relationship between Five Eyes and highly trusted nations that have almost joined Five Eyes in the past. France was closest to becoming the official sixth eye under Obama. Japan is another of these nations.

GTP 1y ago

Well, not relying on US cloud would already be a giant step in the right direction, by making it significantly harder to snoop on the data.

1123581321 1y ago
I don't believe that's the case because the intelligence pooling is meant to remove cross-border friction. A general breakdown of western alliances would probably be required (and maybe that's where we're headed.)
- dboreham 1y ago
  > A general breakdown of western alliances would probably be required Hearing a distant shout of "hold my beer" from the White House...
- timeon 1y ago
  Not just headed, it is already in the process.

blibble 1y ago

I suspect the other 4 eyes are somewhat less willing to do the US regime's bidding these days

emodendroket 1y ago
On what basis?
- fragmede 1y ago
  Might have Something to do with the current US administration tweeting pictures of confidential material in the past, exposing their capabilities to the world. Intelligence community members tend to hold their cards close to their chests.
  - emodendroket 1y ago
    I mean, do you see any actual moves they’ve made to move away from the US? I don’t. They always make a lot of noise about how this time they’re not going to take the depredations of the US before doing just that.
    - fragmede 1y ago
      I'm flattered that you think that the intelligence agencies of the four other "eyes", Australia, Canada, New Zealand; would tell me their moves, or that I'd hear about it, but honestly, I'm not that important. Seriously though, what are you expecting to hear? For the CSIS to post to Twitter what they're hiding from the CIA, as if the CIA hasn't heard of Twitter or something? Or for the GCSB to broadcast which billionaires are making bunkers in Hammer Springs to /r/secretbillionairebunkers like someone is wrong on WarThunder? What I'm saying is the spooks of their respective countries are just gonna keep a bit more to themselves and not tell the US because the think someone in the current US administration is going to leak it, putting their assets at risk. The respective secret agencies haven't put out coordinated press releases saying they're doing this or gone on the talk show tour to talk about it, so I have no proof, but it seems quite possible to me that they are.

IsTom 1y ago

With UK out there's no Five Eyes members in EU.

1123581321 1y ago
"Plus" is key - Five Eyes Plus includes EU members France and Germany, at minimum. It's a comfortable informal relationship between Five Eyes and highly trusted nations that have almost joined Five Eyes in the past. France was closest to becoming the official sixth eye under Obama. Japan is another of these nations.