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Paramount blacklists actors for pro-Palestinian activism

53 points by cramsession 11mo ago

yieldcrv 11mo ago
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- himeexcelanta 11mo ago
  [flagged]
  - yieldcrv 11mo ago
    I don’t
- probablycorey 11mo ago
  This article is about how Javier Bardem, Joaquin Phoenix, Emma Stone, and Mark Ruffalo are blacklisted from Paramount. Which one of those actors are Jewish?
  - throwaway894345 11mo ago
    Even if all parties involved were Jewish, I still don’t understand why that would make it not of interest to others that a corporation is blacklisting people on the basis of a mainstream political viewpoint.
  - jalapenof 11mo ago
    [flagged]
- rounce 11mo ago
  I’m surprised people are upvoting this comment when there is not one iota of fact contained within it.
moogly 11mo ago
Will Scorched Earth Hasbara round 2 even work, I wonder? The cat's out of the bag for the American populace like it never has before. Shouldn't Israel's reputation be beyond repairing?
- roadside_picnic 11mo ago
  I'm sure this post will be gone in another few minutes. I do think, in general, people are increasingly feeling a mismatch between what they're being told people feel on social media and what people in irl feel. However, there is still a lot of control being exerted online and it still seems to have some effect at maintaining the illusion of what views are and are not actually mainstream.
  - pixxel 11mo ago
    [dead]
  - ASalazarMX 11mo ago
    > I'm sure this post will be gone in another few minutes. Aaand it's flagged, of course. Seriously, flagging should force you to leave a reason, or at least choose from a list of guidelines for others to see which the flagger thought was unmet.
    - cramsession 11mo ago
      It’s really egregious because another (very relevant) submission I made was also flagged: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45816708 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45816708 Most posts that talk about Israel’s influence in tech get flagged despite having many upvotes.
- whatshisface 11mo ago
  It comes down to whether everyone who lives in Palestine can be killed or removed before the direct financial support reverses into sanctions or something beyond the heavily suppressed critical online comments they're facing right now. Once they are all gone, the pressure to save them will be as well. I think they are at peace with "reputation" (among who, western intellectuals? progressives in Europe?) in exchange for achieving a goal that has defined rightwing Israeli politics for generations. Besides, what do they have to be afraid of? They know the accusations of antisemitism are false, and will not become true any time soon. The idea of a widespread vendetta against both the violent and peaceful elements of Israel has always been a fiction, used to justify the extraordinary measures employed to "defend" against it. All they have to do is kill or expel two million people, and then the crime will become history (probably not in US textbooks).
ranger_danger 11mo ago
Union strike incoming?
AlexandrB 11mo ago
Genuinely hate this. Thanks to the so-called "vibe shift" all of the ostracism mechanisms pioneered by the left are now being turned against them. I think the lesson here is that when building tools of social change, consider what happens when they're turned against you. I agree with Keira Knightley[1] - people need to learn to live with those that disagree with them (again). [1] https://www.youtube.com/shorts/v4zSxefgKQM https://www.youtube.com/shorts/v4zSxefgKQM
- defrost 11mo ago
  HN deserves comments with less of a short horizon on history. The ghost of Joseph R. McCarthy is questioning your hot take on ostracism mechanisms.
  - dissent 11mo ago
    You're arguing in favour of OP there. For most of the past 10 years we've seen the liberal left celebrating this kind of McCarthyism. They normalised it, raised the stakes, and now it's being leveraged by the traditional actors who've always wanted to. Liberal elites should have been a bulwark against this, but they were not.
    - defrost 11mo ago
      You're mistaken in your strawmanning of my position. I'm against the dull left V right shallow simplemindedness dominant in US forums. I reject the notion that "ostracism mechanisms", especially in a Hollywood context, were recently "pioneered by the left". I read comments that blather on about "liberal left", "deplorables", et al. and despair for political sanity in the US. It's an interesting emergance of iterative dynamics that the ancient rules of elections in middle north America resulted in a Hotelling's law two party system, neither broadly representative of US citizens, when those rules were founded by people opposed to party politics who sought robust debate of a multitude of views.
- estearum 11mo ago
  Can you identify for us which merger approvals or broadcast licenses were threatened by the incumbent left-wing government for private parties engaging in protected speech?
rendall 11mo ago
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deleted 11mo ago
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techblueberry 11mo ago
“ penned by Americana poet-laureate Taylor Sheridan. ” Ok, but they’re going to need more than one writer for a MAGA friendly station. Honestly curious if they can actually overcome the move away from legacy media / movies.
- defrost 11mo ago
  I'm an antipodean world away and have still noticed Sheridan's name as an actor or director or writer or producer on seemingly damn near every major US TV and movie production in the past five to ten years. I'm thinking Taylor Sheridan is a virtual Nicolas Bourbaki of clones laser focused on saccharin Americana mythology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Sheridan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Sheridan
  - clipsy 11mo ago
    > noticed Sheridan's name as an actor or director or writer or producer on seemingly damn near every major US TV and movie production in the past five to ten years. He's credited on 9 movies total with a tenth to be released, and none of them particularly high profile. As far as TV, he is pretty prolific recently but the only way you could possibly think he's involved in "damn near every" TV production in recent years is if you exclusively watch westerns. (Credit where credit's due: I just learned he wrote Sicario, which was an excellent movie imo.) Edit - Citation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Sheridan#Filmography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Sheridan#Filmography
    - defrost 11mo ago
      I was unaware that Veronica Mars, Sons of Anarchy, Mayor of Kingstown, Tulsa King, Lioness, and Landman were considered "Westerns" (in the USofA sense). I myself would have reserved that label for his multitude of Yellowstone and Glam Ranching spinoff productions. My own AV collection of media I enjoy watching or have been involved in the production of does include a collection labled Western .. but these are not the Westerns you are thinking of. * https://www.roninfilms.com.au/feature/710/milli-milli.html https://www.roninfilms.com.au/feature/710/milli-milli.html * https://www.screenwest.com.au/made-in-wa/production-highlights/breath/ https://www.screenwest.com.au/made-in-wa/production-highligh... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Bastards https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Bastards * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shame_(1988_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shame_(1988_film) * https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092220/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092220/ * etc. (many more) ( Yes, I've been in a film with Nicole Kidman, and another with Hugh Jackman's wife* ) ( * Well not then, nor now - but wife for much of the time between ... )

53 points by cramsession 11mo ago

yieldcrv 11mo ago

[flagged]

himeexcelanta 11mo ago
[flagged]
- yieldcrv 11mo ago
  I don’t
probablycorey 11mo ago
This article is about how Javier Bardem, Joaquin Phoenix, Emma Stone, and Mark Ruffalo are blacklisted from Paramount. Which one of those actors are Jewish?
- throwaway894345 11mo ago
  Even if all parties involved were Jewish, I still don’t understand why that would make it not of interest to others that a corporation is blacklisting people on the basis of a mainstream political viewpoint.
- jalapenof 11mo ago
  [flagged]
rounce 11mo ago
I’m surprised people are upvoting this comment when there is not one iota of fact contained within it.

moogly 11mo ago

Will Scorched Earth Hasbara round 2 even work, I wonder? The cat's out of the bag for the American populace like it never has before. Shouldn't Israel's reputation be beyond repairing?

roadside_picnic 11mo ago
I'm sure this post will be gone in another few minutes. I do think, in general, people are increasingly feeling a mismatch between what they're being told people feel on social media and what people in irl feel. However, there is still a lot of control being exerted online and it still seems to have some effect at maintaining the illusion of what views are and are not actually mainstream.
- pixxel 11mo ago
  [dead]
- ASalazarMX 11mo ago
  > I'm sure this post will be gone in another few minutes. Aaand it's flagged, of course. Seriously, flagging should force you to leave a reason, or at least choose from a list of guidelines for others to see which the flagger thought was unmet.
  - cramsession 11mo ago
    It’s really egregious because another (very relevant) submission I made was also flagged: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45816708 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45816708 Most posts that talk about Israel’s influence in tech get flagged despite having many upvotes.
whatshisface 11mo ago
It comes down to whether everyone who lives in Palestine can be killed or removed before the direct financial support reverses into sanctions or something beyond the heavily suppressed critical online comments they're facing right now. Once they are all gone, the pressure to save them will be as well. I think they are at peace with "reputation" (among who, western intellectuals? progressives in Europe?) in exchange for achieving a goal that has defined rightwing Israeli politics for generations. Besides, what do they have to be afraid of? They know the accusations of antisemitism are false, and will not become true any time soon. The idea of a widespread vendetta against both the violent and peaceful elements of Israel has always been a fiction, used to justify the extraordinary measures employed to "defend" against it. All they have to do is kill or expel two million people, and then the crime will become history (probably not in US textbooks).

ranger_danger 11mo ago

Union strike incoming?

AlexandrB 11mo ago

Genuinely hate this. Thanks to the so-called "vibe shift" all of the ostracism mechanisms pioneered by the left are now being turned against them. I think the lesson here is that when building tools of social change, consider what happens when they're turned against you. I agree with Keira Knightley[1] - people need to learn to live with those that disagree with them (again). [1] https://www.youtube.com/shorts/v4zSxefgKQM https://www.youtube.com/shorts/v4zSxefgKQM

defrost 11mo ago
HN deserves comments with less of a short horizon on history. The ghost of Joseph R. McCarthy is questioning your hot take on ostracism mechanisms.
- dissent 11mo ago
  You're arguing in favour of OP there. For most of the past 10 years we've seen the liberal left celebrating this kind of McCarthyism. They normalised it, raised the stakes, and now it's being leveraged by the traditional actors who've always wanted to. Liberal elites should have been a bulwark against this, but they were not.
  - defrost 11mo ago
    You're mistaken in your strawmanning of my position. I'm against the dull left V right shallow simplemindedness dominant in US forums. I reject the notion that "ostracism mechanisms", especially in a Hollywood context, were recently "pioneered by the left". I read comments that blather on about "liberal left", "deplorables", et al. and despair for political sanity in the US. It's an interesting emergance of iterative dynamics that the ancient rules of elections in middle north America resulted in a Hotelling's law two party system, neither broadly representative of US citizens, when those rules were founded by people opposed to party politics who sought robust debate of a multitude of views.
estearum 11mo ago
Can you identify for us which merger approvals or broadcast licenses were threatened by the incumbent left-wing government for private parties engaging in protected speech?

rendall 11mo ago

[flagged]

deleted 11mo ago

[deleted]

techblueberry 11mo ago

“ penned by Americana poet-laureate Taylor Sheridan. ” Ok, but they’re going to need more than one writer for a MAGA friendly station. Honestly curious if they can actually overcome the move away from legacy media / movies.

defrost 11mo ago
I'm an antipodean world away and have still noticed Sheridan's name as an actor or director or writer or producer on seemingly damn near every major US TV and movie production in the past five to ten years. I'm thinking Taylor Sheridan is a virtual Nicolas Bourbaki of clones laser focused on saccharin Americana mythology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Sheridan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Sheridan
- clipsy 11mo ago
  > noticed Sheridan's name as an actor or director or writer or producer on seemingly damn near every major US TV and movie production in the past five to ten years. He's credited on 9 movies total with a tenth to be released, and none of them particularly high profile. As far as TV, he is pretty prolific recently but the only way you could possibly think he's involved in "damn near every" TV production in recent years is if you exclusively watch westerns. (Credit where credit's due: I just learned he wrote Sicario, which was an excellent movie imo.) Edit - Citation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Sheridan#Filmography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Sheridan#Filmography
  - defrost 11mo ago
    I was unaware that Veronica Mars, Sons of Anarchy, Mayor of Kingstown, Tulsa King, Lioness, and Landman were considered "Westerns" (in the USofA sense). I myself would have reserved that label for his multitude of Yellowstone and Glam Ranching spinoff productions. My own AV collection of media I enjoy watching or have been involved in the production of does include a collection labled Western .. but these are not the Westerns you are thinking of. * https://www.roninfilms.com.au/feature/710/milli-milli.html https://www.roninfilms.com.au/feature/710/milli-milli.html * https://www.screenwest.com.au/made-in-wa/production-highlights/breath/ https://www.screenwest.com.au/made-in-wa/production-highligh... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Bastards https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Bastards * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shame_(1988_film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shame_(1988_film) * https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092220/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092220/ * etc. (many more) ( Yes, I've been in a film with Nicole Kidman, and another with Hugh Jackman's wife* ) ( * Well not then, nor now - but wife for much of the time between ... )