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Why would companies sell you the golden goose when they can instead sell you an egg every day?

by paxys 1y ago

saltysalt 1y ago
Exactly! It's a rent-seeking model.
- echelon 1y ago
  > I look forward to the "personal computing" period, with small models distributed everywhere... Like the web, which worked out great? Our Internet is largely centralized platforms. Built on technology controlled by trillion dollar titans. Google somehow got the lion share of browser usage and is now dictating the direction of web tech, including the removal of adblock. The URL bar defaults to Google search, where the top results are paid ads. Your typical everyday person uses their default, locked down iPhone or Android to consume Google or Apple platform products. They then communicate with their friends over Meta platforms, Reddit, or Discord. The decentralized web could never outrun money. It's difficult to out-engineer hundreds of thousands of the most talented, most highly paid engineers that are working to create these silos.
  - saltysalt 1y ago
    I agree man, it's depressing.
  - deleted 1y ago
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  - NemoNobody 1y ago
    Ok, so Brave Browser exists - if you download, you will see 0 ads on the internet, I've never really seen ads on the internet - even in the before brave times. Fr tho, no ads - I'm not making money off them, I've got no invite code for you, I'm a human - I just don't get it. I've probably told 500 people about Brave, I don't know any that ever tried it. I don't ever know what to say. You're not wrong, as long as you never try to do something else.
    - echelon 1y ago
      If everyone used Brave, Google wouldn't be a multi-trillion dollar company pulling revenues that dwarf many countries. Or rather, they'd block Brave.
    - acheron 1y ago
      Brave is just a rebranded Chrome. By using it you’re still endorsing Google’s control of the web.
      - makingstuffs 1y ago
        I was gonna say this. If Google decides to stop developing chromium then Brave is left with very few choices. As someone who has been using brace since it was first announced and very tightly coupled to the BAT crypto token I must say it is much less effective nowadays. I often still see a load of ads and also regularly have to turn off the shields for some sites.
        NemoNobody 1y ago
        How?? I watch Hulu ad supported without ads, YouTube no ads ever, screen never goes black, Viki ad supported free package - never seen an ad, Paramount ad package - never seen an ad. I never have to turn off shields - on one hand the number of times I've had to do that. Maybe I have something additional installed I don't know.
worldsayshi 1y ago
Well if there's at least one competitor selling golden geese to consumers the rest have to adapt. Assuming consumers even bother to set up a coop in their living room...
mulmen 1y ago
Your margin is my opportunity. The more expensive centralized models get the easier it is for distributed models to compete.
codegeek 1y ago
You could say the same thing about Computers when they were mostly mainframe. I am sure someone will figure out how to make it commoditized just like personal computers and internet.
- fph 1y ago
  An interesting remark: in the 1950s-1970s, mainframes were typically rented rather than sold.
- vjvjvjvjghv 1y ago
  It looks to me like the personal computer area is over. Everything is in the cloud and accessed through terminals like phones and tablets.
  - freedomben 1y ago
    And notably, those phones and tablets are intentionally hobbled by the device owners (Apple, Google) who do everything they can to ensure they can't be treated like personal computing devices. Short of regulatory intervention, I don't see this trend changing anytime soon. We're going full on in the direction of more locked down now that Google is tightening the screws on Android.
kakapo5672 1y ago
Because companies are not some monolith, all doing identical things forever. If someone sees a new angle to make money, they'll start doing it. Data General and Unisys did not create PCs - small disrupters did that. These startups were happy to sell eggs.
- otterley 1y ago
  They didn't create them, but PC startups like Apple and Commodore only made inroads into the home -- a relatively narrow market compared to business. It took IBM to legitimize PCs as business tools.
DevKoala 1y ago
Because someone else will sell it to you if they dont.
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> Why would companies sell you the golden goose when they can instead sell you an egg every day? Because someone else can sell the goose and take your market. Apple is best aligned to be the disruptor. But I wouldn’t underestimate the Chinese government dumping top-tier open-source models on the internet to take our tech companies down a notch or ten.
- gizajob 1y ago
  Putting a few boots in Taiwan would also make for a profitable short. Profitable to the tune of several trillion dollars. Xi must be getting tempted.
  - CuriouslyC 1y ago
    It's a lot more complicated than that. They need to be able to take the island very quickly with a decapitation strike, while also keeping TSMC from being sabotaged or destroyed, then they need to be able to weather a long western economic embargo until they can "break the siege" with demand for what they control along with minor good faith concessions. It's very risky play, and if it doesn't work it leaves China in a much worse place than before, so ideally you don't make the play unless you're already facing some big downside, sort of as a "hail Mary" move. At this point I'm sure they're assuming Trump is glad handing them while preparing for military action, they might even view invasion of Taiwan as defensive if they think military action could be imminent anyhow.
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      > then they need to be able to weather a long western economic embargo until they can "break the siege" with demand for what they control along with minor good faith concessions And you know we'd be potting their transport ships, et cetera, from a distance the whole time, all to terrific fanfare. The Taiwan Strait would become the new training ground for naval drones, with the targets being almost exclusively Chinese.
      - 1y ago
positron26 1y ago
When the consumer decides to discover my site and fund federated and P2P infrastructure, they can have a seat at the table.
anjel 1y ago
Selling fertile geese was a winning and proven business biz model for a very long time. Selling eggs is better how?

Why would companies sell you the golden goose when they can instead sell you an egg every day?

by paxys 1y ago

Why would companies sell you the golden goose when they can instead sell you an egg every day?

saltysalt 1y ago

Exactly! It's a rent-seeking model.

echelon 1y ago
> I look forward to the "personal computing" period, with small models distributed everywhere... Like the web, which worked out great? Our Internet is largely centralized platforms. Built on technology controlled by trillion dollar titans. Google somehow got the lion share of browser usage and is now dictating the direction of web tech, including the removal of adblock. The URL bar defaults to Google search, where the top results are paid ads. Your typical everyday person uses their default, locked down iPhone or Android to consume Google or Apple platform products. They then communicate with their friends over Meta platforms, Reddit, or Discord. The decentralized web could never outrun money. It's difficult to out-engineer hundreds of thousands of the most talented, most highly paid engineers that are working to create these silos.
- saltysalt 1y ago
  I agree man, it's depressing.
- deleted 1y ago
  [deleted]
- NemoNobody 1y ago
  Ok, so Brave Browser exists - if you download, you will see 0 ads on the internet, I've never really seen ads on the internet - even in the before brave times. Fr tho, no ads - I'm not making money off them, I've got no invite code for you, I'm a human - I just don't get it. I've probably told 500 people about Brave, I don't know any that ever tried it. I don't ever know what to say. You're not wrong, as long as you never try to do something else.
  - echelon 1y ago
    If everyone used Brave, Google wouldn't be a multi-trillion dollar company pulling revenues that dwarf many countries. Or rather, they'd block Brave.
  - acheron 1y ago
    Brave is just a rebranded Chrome. By using it you’re still endorsing Google’s control of the web.
    - makingstuffs 1y ago
      I was gonna say this. If Google decides to stop developing chromium then Brave is left with very few choices. As someone who has been using brace since it was first announced and very tightly coupled to the BAT crypto token I must say it is much less effective nowadays. I often still see a load of ads and also regularly have to turn off the shields for some sites.
      - NemoNobody 1y ago
        How?? I watch Hulu ad supported without ads, YouTube no ads ever, screen never goes black, Viki ad supported free package - never seen an ad, Paramount ad package - never seen an ad. I never have to turn off shields - on one hand the number of times I've had to do that. Maybe I have something additional installed I don't know.

worldsayshi 1y ago

Well if there's at least one competitor selling golden geese to consumers the rest have to adapt. Assuming consumers even bother to set up a coop in their living room...

mulmen 1y ago

Your margin is my opportunity. The more expensive centralized models get the easier it is for distributed models to compete.

codegeek 1y ago

You could say the same thing about Computers when they were mostly mainframe. I am sure someone will figure out how to make it commoditized just like personal computers and internet.

fph 1y ago
An interesting remark: in the 1950s-1970s, mainframes were typically rented rather than sold.
vjvjvjvjghv 1y ago
It looks to me like the personal computer area is over. Everything is in the cloud and accessed through terminals like phones and tablets.
- freedomben 1y ago
  And notably, those phones and tablets are intentionally hobbled by the device owners (Apple, Google) who do everything they can to ensure they can't be treated like personal computing devices. Short of regulatory intervention, I don't see this trend changing anytime soon. We're going full on in the direction of more locked down now that Google is tightening the screws on Android.

kakapo5672 1y ago

Because companies are not some monolith, all doing identical things forever. If someone sees a new angle to make money, they'll start doing it. Data General and Unisys did not create PCs - small disrupters did that. These startups were happy to sell eggs.

otterley 1y ago
They didn't create them, but PC startups like Apple and Commodore only made inroads into the home -- a relatively narrow market compared to business. It took IBM to legitimize PCs as business tools.

DevKoala 1y ago

Because someone else will sell it to you if they dont.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> Why would companies sell you the golden goose when they can instead sell you an egg every day? Because someone else can sell the goose and take your market. Apple is best aligned to be the disruptor. But I wouldn’t underestimate the Chinese government dumping top-tier open-source models on the internet to take our tech companies down a notch or ten.

gizajob 1y ago
Putting a few boots in Taiwan would also make for a profitable short. Profitable to the tune of several trillion dollars. Xi must be getting tempted.
- CuriouslyC 1y ago
  It's a lot more complicated than that. They need to be able to take the island very quickly with a decapitation strike, while also keeping TSMC from being sabotaged or destroyed, then they need to be able to weather a long western economic embargo until they can "break the siege" with demand for what they control along with minor good faith concessions. It's very risky play, and if it doesn't work it leaves China in a much worse place than before, so ideally you don't make the play unless you're already facing some big downside, sort of as a "hail Mary" move. At this point I'm sure they're assuming Trump is glad handing them while preparing for military action, they might even view invasion of Taiwan as defensive if they think military action could be imminent anyhow.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > then they need to be able to weather a long western economic embargo until they can "break the siege" with demand for what they control along with minor good faith concessions And you know we'd be potting their transport ships, et cetera, from a distance the whole time, all to terrific fanfare. The Taiwan Strait would become the new training ground for naval drones, with the targets being almost exclusively Chinese.
    - 1y ago

positron26 1y ago

When the consumer decides to discover my site and fund federated and P2P infrastructure, they can have a seat at the table.

anjel 1y ago

Selling fertile geese was a winning and proven business biz model for a very long time. Selling eggs is better how?