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Just a caution, this guy is a Gary Marcus-like perennial chicken little, this isn’t some discovery or realization, it’s just an ongoing part of someone’s identi

by andy99 1y ago

Just a caution, this guy is a Gary Marcus-like perennial chicken little, this isn’t some discovery or realization, it’s just an ongoing part of someone’s identity as an AI bear.

steeleduncan 1y ago
This seems like an ad hominem attack, are his numbers incorrect?
- deleted 1y ago
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- jrflowers 1y ago
  Most criticism of Zitron tends to boil down to either “he’s mean/vulgar” or “he has an opinion”. Recently I saw an article that implied that Ed Zitron, owner of Ed Zitron PR and author of a couple books about public relations, was hiding the fact that he’s a PR guy. Off the top of my head I think that he might’ve gotten inference costs wrong in an article and then corrected it, but usually I don’t see many people poking holes in his numbers.
- tim333 1y ago
  There's a pessimistic slant on them like he says: >By the end of the year, Microsoft, Amazon, Google and Meta will have spent over $400bn in capital expenditures, much of it focused on building AI infrastructure, on top of $228.4bn in capital expenditures in 2024 but doesn't mention those companies made over $320bn profit in 2024 so they are not really going bust over this stuff.
bitpush 1y ago
This is the same guy who did the totally unhinged article (with even more unhinged headline) a while back. https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/ https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/ You can see how HN ate up that article back in the day - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40133976 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40133976
- jamwaffles 1y ago
  I read that article when it came out and thought it was well written and had good evidence and sources. It's the opposite of unhinged IMO, and explains a lot as to why Google is as terrible as it is now.
  - red-iron-pine 1y ago
    terrible.... but profitable.
datavirtue 1y ago
Yeah, total looney. I had a collection of questions and retorts until I got bored with it.

by andy99 1y ago

Just a caution, this guy is a Gary Marcus-like perennial chicken little, this isn’t some discovery or realization, it’s just an ongoing part of someone’s identity as an AI bear.

steeleduncan 1y ago

This seems like an ad hominem attack, are his numbers incorrect?

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jrflowers 1y ago
Most criticism of Zitron tends to boil down to either “he’s mean/vulgar” or “he has an opinion”. Recently I saw an article that implied that Ed Zitron, owner of Ed Zitron PR and author of a couple books about public relations, was hiding the fact that he’s a PR guy. Off the top of my head I think that he might’ve gotten inference costs wrong in an article and then corrected it, but usually I don’t see many people poking holes in his numbers.
tim333 1y ago
There's a pessimistic slant on them like he says: >By the end of the year, Microsoft, Amazon, Google and Meta will have spent over $400bn in capital expenditures, much of it focused on building AI infrastructure, on top of $228.4bn in capital expenditures in 2024 but doesn't mention those companies made over $320bn profit in 2024 so they are not really going bust over this stuff.

bitpush 1y ago

This is the same guy who did the totally unhinged article (with even more unhinged headline) a while back. https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/ https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/ You can see how HN ate up that article back in the day - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40133976 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40133976

jamwaffles 1y ago
I read that article when it came out and thought it was well written and had good evidence and sources. It's the opposite of unhinged IMO, and explains a lot as to why Google is as terrible as it is now.
- red-iron-pine 1y ago
  terrible.... but profitable.

datavirtue 1y ago

Yeah, total looney. I had a collection of questions and retorts until I got bored with it.